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Is the Earth approximately 6000 years old? (as opposed to 4.5 billion)

There are two contradictory accounts of the age of Earth. One is the scientific account, which claims that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. The other is a biblical account, which claims that the earth is approximately 6000 years old. The scientific position is that there is overwhelming evidence for their view, while Christian Science points to contradictions and anomalies in that position.

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Russell Humphreys Creationist Physicist

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Nearly a dozen natural phenomena which conflict with the evolutionary idea that the universe is billions of years old...

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Albert Mohler President, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary

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Given the human tendency toward inconsistency, there are people who will say they hold both positions. But you cannot coherently affirm the Christian-truth claim and the dominant model of evolutionary theory at the same time. Personally, I am a young-Earth creationist. I believe the Bible is adequately clear about how God created the world, and that its most natural reading points to a six-day creation that included not just the animal and plant species but the earth itself.

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Is there any possibility within the limits of science as we know it, that this earth is between 6000 and 10000 years old? The answer is no, not unless somebody has fooled with the laws of chemistry and physics. ... To accept that the geological evidence could tell us that the earth is as old as it is and yet that the Earth was actually created 6000 years ago requires that [the] creator [is] a charlatan, and I don't reject that on scientific grounds, I reject that on theological grounds.

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Scientists tell us it would have taken billions of years for the light to have made that journey from the distant stars. If the light did indeed come from those stars, then the light left those stars billions of years ago. And if the light was traveling for billions of years, than the stars must be very old, and the universe is very old.

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Modern geologists and geophysicists consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.

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0 Points Child of God 01 Jan 2015 General Comment

The Holy Bible never changes, God's word is solid as his is like a rock. Science changes for this comes from man.
You want answers - look in The Holy Bible - man such as you and I don't have the answer, for only God can give you what you need. The new earth, Heaven will answer all you questions if you should be saved to getting there. God's love is unconditional - I suggest you seek his love it will be well worth your time!

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Psalm 56 New International Version (NIV)

Psalm 56[a]
1 Be merciful to me, my God,
for my enemies are in hot pursuit;
all day long they press their attack.
2 My adversaries pursue me all day long;
in their pride many are attacking me.
3 When I am afraid, I put my trust in you.
4 In God, whose word I praise—
in God I trust and am not afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?

0 Points Anonymous 05 Jan 2015 General Comment

But the Bible was written by men, was it not?

0 Points Astronomer 31 Dec 2014 Stance on Question: Disagree

If Earth was 6000 years old, the Solar System, and the Sol (aka the Sun) wouldn't have enough time to form the Solar System. To form a planet, you would need to collide a lot of asteroids, which the asteroids form from the cosmic dusts, which came from the protoplanetary disks, and the disks came from the Sun. This is what you called accretion.

In fact, Gas Giants like Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and the Uranus are older than the Terrestrial Planets, which are the Venus, Mercury, and this includes our planet Earth.

0 Points Anonymous 19 Feb 2015 General Comment

Yes thats somewhat true but instead of days look at 1day in the bible=1 billion or 1.5 years in real time this would explain the 6 days he created the earth not 7 on the 7th he rested and all was good. This would explain the 2 billion years+the 4 billion years to allow the universe to be created as well as humanity, what we know is that humans have been around for 200,000 years (not pre-date humans or another homosapien) this would explain why he created man after all the animals and the earth was created it would also explain the terraforms or dinosaurs in history. Some people think we came from a pre-date human species we didn`t if we did we would see evidence,DNA, bone structure similarities, monuments this would also explain noah and the ark as well by the dates of humans and how long the continents have been in this form. If this enlightens you then i hope you can understand where i`m coming from.

0 Points Anonymous 03 Jan 2015 Editorial Comment

Sol. Not "the Sol".
Stop trying to make yourself seem more knowledgeable by using different terms - particularly when they aren't correct.

0 Points Astronomer 31 Dec 2014 Stance on Question: Disagree

Not only that, but, the Sun is also descended from its ancestors, which are the other stars.
God did not directly created the Sun, for me, as a Christian, the universe was created by God, by the use of Big Bang Theory. There was no evidence for the Creationism where God created the Light, then etc.

0 Points I know all secrets 07 Dec 2014 Stance on Question: Disagree

You people have all become part of the problem
1. Watch the brand new MIT debunks globe earth theory
2. Do you realize that light years are impossible
3. Newtonian physics are all based on the IF statement. He never completed it. You idiots wouldn't know that.
4. The Royal Society Of London is who took the radical opinion of Copernicus's globe theory. No one before him ever proved or believed in the globalization theories you morons suck on.
5. If a boat left a dock, he would be constantly traveling downhill yet after 6 miles out we still see the same boat through all of MIT's experiments.
6. A plane traveling north would never reach it's destination due to the 1024 miles per bogus theory that the earth is rotating. If you look up is the clouds moving or are you moving???? NO. Jump up from your original footprint. You land in the same spot you jumped from. You idiots still think you're rotating?
7. How come a plumbob in engineering shows the center of the earth in one spot...this would mean all buildings would be wider at the top.
8. Go look at the horizon...its flat...so is the water. The water should have a natural curvature to it. IT DOES NOT.
9. Anyone with an IQ over 70 gets this. NASA is a joke and (google this) is made up of 77 percent east germans or NAZI's. They didn't lose the war...they moved to America you fools.

0 Points Anonymous 29 Jan 2015 General Comment

This is the most elementary argument I've ever read. Of the countless things you bring up that reveal your ignorance, I'm not going to bother spending my time talking about any of them. All I'll say is, prove to us god is real. Something someone with an IQ over 70 would be able to come up with. You can't do it

0 Points Paul 12 Dec 2014 General Comment

YOU 6 THOUSAND YEAR OLD EARTHERS ARE LIVING IN A DELUSION! THE BIG BANG IS REAL, DARWIN WAS RIGHT! OLDUVAI GORGE DOES HAVE 6 MILLION YEAR OLD BONES OF A HUMAN ANCESTOR.

0 Points Anonymous 19 Feb 2015 General Comment

but how do you explain bones or persay remains past the 200,000 year mark that "humans" have supposedly been on earth know your shit before you speak and the big bang theory doesnt institute that god isnt real it actually illuminates the idea even more

0 Points William Stubbs 09 Nov 2013 Stance on Question: Disagree

The Bible is not always clear about what it is saying. A bible passage can produce a variety of interpretations. In the Second Epistle of Peter from the King James Version of the New Testament, verse 8 of chapter 3 reads: "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." This is typically interpreted to say that one creation day is one thousand years. The first two chapters of the Book of Genesis suggest that we are still in the seventh creation day. This means the Earth must be between 6,000 and 7,000 years old.

Verse 8 seems to repeat that one day is a thousand years within it. But, to say "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years," "and" "a thousand years as one day," could be interpreted as providing two pieces of information. The "and" in the verse may indicate that additional, not redundant, information follows. If so, then the days and years mentioned in the first clause may not be the same days and years referred to in the second clause.

To explore this; first, we denote the days and years in the first clause as Days and Years (beginning with upper case letters). Next, we denote those in the second clause as days and years (beginning with lower case letters). Now, the verse says: 1 Day = 1,000 Years, and 1,000 years = 1 day.

Let a "Day" be a creation day, a "year" be a year as we know it, and a "Year" be 365 "days." Then, 1 Year becomes 365,000 of our years, and 1 Day, 365 million of our years. This would make the Bible’s six creation days (6 Days) 2.2 billion of our years. This is about half the 4.5 billion years geology says is the age of the Earth.

We can go one step further with this line of thought. In verse 4 of Genesis, God divides the light from the darkness. Then, in verse 5, He calls the light, "Day," and the darkness, "Night." To distinguish between Day and Night suggests that they are two independent entities, not two parts of an entity, "Day." If we assume that God divided them equally, then a Night is as long as a Day, or 365 million of our years. Since there is a Night after every Day; then, in addition to the six creation Days, six creation Nights have also elapsed. This means that we have to add another 2.2 billion years to the Bible's Earth age, making it 4.4 billion years. This is essentially the same as the 4.5 billion-year geological age of the Earth.

See my article at: http://voices.yahoo.com/bible-may-support-geological-age-earth-12379795.html?cat=34

0 Points 7churches 26 Dec 2013 General Comment

year has an ear it it.
earth means EAR To Hear, hope you hear God's WORD and STAND under it in order to underSTAND GOD's WORD.
Isaiah 46:10: "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
God did not declare "the beginning from the end" which your method is not according to God's WORD.
In the beginning God used 6 literal 24-hour-DAYs to declare that HE will REST for 1000years after 6000years...the END with JUDGMENT.
Jesus GOD the SON will reign 1000years so that GOD the FATHER Literally REST 1DAY.
This is GOD's PERFECT WILL because JESUS NEED ONLY TO DIE ONCE.

Pls be careful if you are implying that God had mistake in HIS WORD.

pls check www.simplesite.com/7churches for the 6000year timeline.
note also that WORLD NEW EARTH is COME.
GOD's CITY is COME.
God will show us much more information when we stand under His Word.
May God Bless You All this Christ's Coming Season.

0 Points 7churches 26 Dec 2013 General Comment

also pls note that God created Trees and all kinds of plants in the 3rd DAY before creating the SUN and lesser light on the 4th DAY.
God is wise because if GOD had waited so long as you suggested...then the plants/trees which needed photosynthesis[sorry if i spell wrongly] will not be able to survive at all.

0 Points Duncan Watt 13 Jul 2013 General Comment

I have just had a thought for those who believe that the earth is approximately 10,000 years old or less.

But first a question: do these same people believe that our Galaxy is some 100,000 light years across and that the Universe is really vast, billions of light years across?

If that's the case, and if the earth is only 10,000 years old, how can we see the light from those distant stars and galaxies; there just wouldn't have been enough time for the light to travel across inter-stellar or inter-galactic space to reach us.

I would like to read some comments on this.

0 Points david keene 22 Dec 2013 General Comment

Very nice point. I'm always looking for good debate rebuttles. But we are assuming math is correct in their math with light years and speed of light. He did it in 7. That's incredible because it displays his power. What naturally takes an obnoxious amount of time is but a day to our Creator. He could have done it instantly, but that's just showing off.

0 Points ron 27 Jul 2013 General Comment

The age of the earth has nothing to do with our ability to see lights from distant stars.

0 Points 7churches 15 Jul 2013 General Comment

pls see response...

Why not PRAISE GOD WHO CREATED MANkind who could invent NUCLEAR BOMBS within 6000years which monkeys need zillion of years to do?

Humans use human logic and so not able to understand God who is unlimited and infinitely huge.

Just like a man stretching out his hands by 1.8m distance in 1 second...would take a snail to travel this 1.8m in possibly few minutes...

Infinite God can fill the ENTIRE UNIverse and create a SUPER HUGE SPACE [UNIVERSE] within days.

GOD FILLS ALL SPACE!
GOD is LIGHT!

Why not 'ASSUME' that ALL-POWERFUL GOD could stretched the UNIverse within days and GOD COVERS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS and ZILLIONS OF Kilometers of SPACE!

Mankind reasoning is always base SOLELY ON 'ASSumption' that
1) speed of light is CONSTANT
2) light is not affected by ELECTRON-MAGNETIC ENERGY
3) there could be many more CHARACTERISTICS of LIGHT which MANkind ignores or know not.
so Mankind concluded that the light of farthest stars 'NEED' 'billion light years' to travel this SPACE to be seen on earth.

1)Why not 'ASSUME' that Light is zillion times faster when God created the STARS in the beginning?
2)Why not 'ASSUME' that ELECTRON-MAGNETIC ENERGY can affect Light and increase speed or bend light?
3)Why not 'ASSUME' that there are many more unknown CHARACTERISTICS of LIGHT?
Truth could be that the STARS are just thousands of years away and that the farthest stars had the fastest speed of Light than the nearest stars seen on earth.

Mankind always calculate base on linear assumption and ignore exponential values.

Manking always think on 2 dimension and could not understand 3 dimensional objects easily and so not easy to share the information.

Why not PRAISE GOD WHO CREATED MANkind who could invent NUCLEAR BOMBS within 6000years which monkeys need zillion of years to do?

www.simplesite.com/7churches

0 Points MCera 25 Sep 2013 Stance on Question: Agree

Interesting questions you launched. That's good enough to me. God bless you.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him

0 Points Conan 16 Aug 2013 General Comment

Hey
Jesus freak...relax. Prove the one true god Odin didn't do all of this.
Just as Believable; only one of them has a more popular book.

0 Points Deano 03 Mar 2013 General Comment

Just think upon this, in the bible it says that Adam and Eve were made on the 6th day,
the stars were made on the 4th day.

Now if you and I were there on the 6th day and saw Adam and Eve, what do you think they looked like? Well if they were created right then and there, then would they not be little and the size of a new born 1 day old baby? NO of course not, because GOD created them, they would look more then likely look about the age of 20 or 25 or even 30 years old, but they would only be 1 day old. As for the stars, they would be only 2 days old on day 6, because they were made on day 4 right, but the stars looked older just like Adam and Eve.

I hope this clers it up for you.

0 Points webber 22 Mar 2013 Stance on Question: Mostly Agree

Sorry, can I just disagree with you on the fact that, the bible does not say that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day?...You are wrong there my friend, I agree with the rest but not about the Adam and Eve theory, the bible specifically tells that God created other humans before Adam and Eve, after He created the animals and finished the earth, He then created Adam and from Adam he created Eve, I am not trying to rain on your parade man, but many people mistake, I was also raised to believe that way, but if you read the bible properly you will find that, God first created other humans..then Adam and Eve. Apart from that, nice blog!

See it here:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:26-31&version=NIV

Fact that the earth is not that old, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qHec_CM2ngU#at=36

Peace!

0 Points Anonymous 11 Feb 2015 General Comment

I have never heard that before about Adam and Eve so I just went to your link and read it. It says...verse 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens." Account "meaning a detailed account of what has been achieved. So it just means he is going back to describe creating Adam and Eve in more detail.

0 Points Anti-Creationist 19 Jun 2013 General Comment

Sorry, But no. The grand canyon wasn't created in thousands of years. It took millions and millions of years for that rock to form, Nothing could've come to be in just a few thousand years, Sorry to say but you're wrong. That alone and millions of other natural things are proof that the earth is way more than 1000's of years old, Creationists, You're the reasons everyone thinks religion is so ridiculous, Please, Get your facts straight, Even if god is real people like you are probably going to get backhanded by god for being such... Ahem, God awful retards, Really, It's people like you who I have to pretend to like to not cause conflict, If you could make it a little easier for us atheists to NOT outright call you guys retards, Please.. Get your shit straight.

0 Points paul 15 Oct 2014 General Comment

excellent comment. i am catholic, and we believe in evolution and the earth is 4.5 billion years old. does not change that there is a God. those fables teach a lesson, and not meant to be taken literally. these reformed baptist arevterrible people, who hijacked christianity. luther would not recognize their view of christianity. they dont know their history, and believe in the rapture. the rapture is a recent(19th century) take of revelation. no one, that is zero people believed in rapture before darby. guys like mohler, they are complete bigot idiots. hate catholics, episc, etc. onlt their narrow, recent view of christianity is right. absolute fools. man and dinosaurs co-exsisted? how dumb do you have to be to believe that.

0 Points Ken 04 Feb 2015 Stance on Question: Agree

Hi Paul! Thank-you! Although I am not Catholic, I am not here to debate doctrine or Martin Luther. I just want to say thank-you for a shining example that God and evolution/OldEarth do not preclude each other. Even my brother, who is a die-hard BAC KNOWS that the universe is over 13 billion years old!

0 Points MCera 25 Sep 2013 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

You meant you are atheist? Impossible, there is not such thing...

(The difference is the God I serve isn't the goat you serve... although I'm sure you willingly ignore it)

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

0 Points nucpharmer1 26 Dec 2012 General Comment

Question: If the earth is 6000 years old, what is the average number of pregnancies per woman that would have to occur to populate the earth with 6 billion people? I believe in the Bible but I cannot accept 6000 years as the age of the earth. I think the number is so huge to be unbelievable and people will have to accept that the earth is older than 6000 years. Please list your equations and assumptions.

0 Points Waldy 24 Feb 2013 Editorial Comment

It's actually not that high. If you apply the growth rate from the year 2000 (0.012) then it would only take 1830 years to grow from a population of 2 to 6,000,000,000. I used the population calulator at http://www.metamorphosisalpha.com/ias/population.php to work it out.

0 Points Amie 15 Sep 2014 General Comment

You can't go by the population growth rates from current times, average life expectancy in just the 1800's was only about 40 or so years old. Prior centuries were no better and worse than that. Even in the early 1900's average life expectancy was only around 50 years old. Modern medicine has enabled a higher population growth rate in recent decades.

0 Points John 03 Mar 2013 General Comment

You have to calculate death rates, too.

0 Points John 03 Mar 2013 General Comment

You have to calculate death rates, too. And growth rates are much higher now than in any point in history as prenatal care has become more successful. So using the year 2000 rate is not really accurate. Now we have about 20 births/1000 people and about 8.7 deaths/1000, while in just the 1950's it was nearly 20 deaths per 1000 people. Figure in plagues and human caused atrocities like the holocaust and Hiroshima and that number climbs dramatically during certain eras. Also, if the world started with just two people it would take many generations to even approach 1000 people to get a ratio of births per 1000. The first century population was about 200 million! It would be a nearly impossible formula to create. Much easier just to study rocks and artifacts and get at least a rough idea of the age of these things. Even if carbon and argon dating isn't precisely accurate it is generally accepted in the scientific community and should paint a basic picture of earth's age. Even if the dating method of some of the oldest known plant fossils (472 million years) was off by 400 million years, that means they would still have been alive 72 million years ago.

0 Points mike 20 Mar 2013 General Comment

note that death rate extremely low during creation because Adam[Eve named after she beliEVEd her seed] lived 930years old. they could use a greater birthrate and almost 0deathrate and this could fill the earth within 1656years before the flood destroyed these pre-historic people. see website www.simplesite.com/7churches for more info.
then after the flood, people could still live few hundred years but deathrate increase much more till 19th centuries. note that after flood, there were 8persons[Noah and family] which started with 4families and not 2people 1 family only. Using modern thinking using 8.7deaths/1000 is based on wars which killed many people almost every year which is wrong calculation. Death rate should still be very low in 1st century because wars are not as frequent with poor WMDs [weapons of mass destruction].

0 Points Aurelius 13 Oct 2012 General Comment

This is no point in arguing any of it, we all inevitably DIE one day and become food for worms. There is no point to any of it. HUMANITY is not SPECIAL, we are not IMPORTANT, we are not SIGNIFICANT in any way, shape or form.

Billions of years from now the SUN will die and so will we. It will all be gone as if it never were; our hopes, dreams, beliefs, theories, intellectual arguments, PROPERTY RIGHTS, etc. Once a person dies, they cease to exist.

Gone. That's it. Nothing. Forever.

LIVE however you want, BELIEVE whatever you want, DO whatever you want, nothing means anything. Nothing will last. Nothing CAN last.

There is only your actions and their consequences. RIGHT and WRONG and purely SUBJECTIVE concepts.

But that's just my opinion and you're welcome to differ ;-)

0 Points gilberta 18 Feb 2013 General Comment

Our body becomes food for worms but our spirit will never die...your perception is a God who doesn't care, and has no power; and it comes as no surprise you feel the way you do. He just does not exist for you. You are believing lies. The opposite is the truth. Get a hold of this so you can be a positive force for not only yourself but for everyone in your life. You are special, you are important, significant and loved beyond any wild imagination you could have. What Forty said below is so true, everything we do for Christ will live on and any good in us came from Him...Aurelius (nice name by the way), you deserve so much more than the reality of your thoughts!

0 Points Forty 06 Nov 2012 General Comment

Only what's done for Christ will Lasts:)

0 Points Kit 29 Jul 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

It is the people who believe in a God who think others are trying to disprove such an entity's existence. Gods are irrelevant to the study involved in science. Discovering new data which is evidence for or against hypotheses is what matters. The insecurity of the Theists is that there is never evidence that supports their mythology. Fossils, carbon decay, other elemental decay, Tectonics, Genetics, and on and on all support the same theory. The Earth is about 4.5 Billion years old. There is no evidence let alone proof that the Earth is anything like 6000 years old.

0 Points Jim 18 Mar 2013 General Comment

Kit,

Finally, someone who has intelligence. Seriously, I am completely dumbfounded that so many people believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. That means early man was walking around with dinosaurs! Haven't any of these creationists ever gazed upon the Grand Canyon or marveled about the many deserts of the world--that were once seas? What about the mountain ranges and a few thousand observable natural phenomena. How can so many people be so incredibly stupid?

0 Points LOVE THE TRUTH 01 Aug 2012 General Comment

Pls see truth or alie...pages 11 till 22...
http://www.4shared.com/file/7QkzMWXc/Truth_or_A_LIE.html
http://www.simplesite.com/7churches/43730274

0 Points Mach10X 23 Aug 2012 General Comment

According the the gnostics (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Gnosticism and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sethianism) the genesis story was added later to the bible by those rejecting the original telling. Many changes have been made to the Bible to appeal to different leaders' or groups' ideas on what God should be. So the original story tells that God is pure thought, and he manifests as pairs of male and female "avatars" of sorts called aeons. Aeons also had limited power to manifest reality. One of these Aeons, Sophia, ended up making a failed creation, an "angel" with the head of a lion and body of a serpent/dragon. Ashamed or disgusted with what she had made, she cast this creation from her, perhaps in hope that God didn't notice (again this telling states that God is extremely powerful but is not omnipresent nor omnipotent though pretty close). This creation was named by Sophia: Yaldabaoth. Yaldoboath is blind and ignorant, and being jealous created a mirror of the heavens for him to rule over (they tangible universe). The universe being a copy made by a lesser being was flawed. And this flawed nature allows for things such as evolution (our bodies are full of flaws), pain, and suffering. It is posited that the "God" of the Hebrews (the entire old testament) is actually Yaldoboath. The phrase "Almighty God" which occurs frequently in English Bibles is actually El Shaddai in Hebrew, which means "God of the Desert." Shaddai or Saddai refers to the open fields or desert, and does NOT mean "Almighty." The true God who is intangible and unknowable who manifested as the aeons finally did right this wrong by sending a physical projection of himself to our world. Jesus then taught the truth the his disciples and taught the rest of us by way of parables. Jesus was sent to bring the truth to us and help right the wrongs of our flawed universe and set the record straight.

Here's a link to a list of books and texts that were removed from the Bible that outline much of this: http://www.gnosis.org/library/cac.htm

Although there is debate as to being true or not, it is believed that Constantine the roman emperor from 274 to 337 A.D, reformed the church and changed the bible to fit his needs to rule both the hearts and minds of his people. Note that these books were part of early Christianity for nearly 3 centuries before it was decided to remove them from the "official" version of the bible.

Many of these lost books were recovered from sealed jars at Nag Hammadi. It is believed that these books were preserved and hidden to survive the mandated burning of the supposedly "apocryphal" books.
a·poc·ry·phal
adjective
1. of doubtful authorship or authenticity.

These lost books were considered apocryphal not due to any research but simply because they didn't fit the views of the leaders at the time.

It is said that some if not all of Jesus's disciples were gnostics, and that Jesus himself was as well.

0 Points God's WORD Revealed 06 Nov 2012 General Comment

Psalm 12:6,7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Pls Note: that there is no 'mistake' found in the Bible. pls see www.simplesite.com/7churches God's WORD Revealed webpage. BIBLE is BOOK OF LIFE...add to it and plagues added to you. Take away from it and your name will be taken away from the 3D-BIBLE-CODE...pls see 3D Bible Book of Life webpage

0 Points Monika 22 Jul 2012 General Comment

You know what I fail to understand honestly Is how people whom do not beilieve is GOD is so desperate to disprove him ...WHY why does it matter to you why has it been such a journey with science to disprove the man the creator...

In the end tho i truly believe what ever was in darkness shall come into light ...But know this Something cannot come from nothing ...Something comes from something ....THE end .

0 Points my2cents 29 Sep 2012 General Comment

If that is the case who created gods. As you say, something can`t come from nothing. When it comes to god\gods it`s always gonna be the chicken or the egg. It`s very hard to break away from ones conditioning since birth(religions),after all do you "still believe in faries"? It takes understanding and courage to break away from blind faith and fear. Believing something is real doesnt make it so. The "church" tried to hang a "mad man" 700 years ago for saying the earth wasn`t the center of the solar system let alone the galaxy and the universe. Religions do nothing more then lead humanity away from unity. If there is a god, then there is no point to existance. I choose to live my life for the improvement of humanity, with or without god. In the end heaven and hell doesnt matter, in either place you are still a slave. So make the here and now count. The ultimate expression of freedom may actually be oblivion, no don't kill your self fool!!! Love,Peace, & Happiness!

0 Points Saved 09 Sep 2014 General Comment

So your belief, is no belief. You see, you are a believer, a believer in the here and now. You don't have to worry about killing yourself, you my friend are already dead. Wow, I speak to dead people. I am assuming here, but I would guess you are an evolutionist. The fact that you have a belief system should tell you something. Whether you believe in God or not is your choice. But where did you get the ability to believe or not? What else on the earth has the ability to believe? There is no such thing as no belief, only belief. Oh yeah....the chicken came first. God created all things first, then came the seeds, eggs, etc.

Who would have you blind from the truth? Why do you believe it? Who gives you courage to "break away from blind faith and fear" as you say. I believe I am. Am I so?. I believe in oxygen, is it so? I believe in life, is it so? "If there is a God, there is no point to existence?" So you are saying that if there is no God, there is a point to existence? Wow.... that is so deep, I need to put on my pretend boots to keep my pretend feet from stepping in all the pretend crap.

Why would you choose to believe to live your life for "improvement for humanity with or without God? Look around....your cause is failing drastically and quickly. Soon humanity as we see it will not exist or not exist, with your theories. I have to leave now with your final quote of "In the end Heaven and Hell doesn't matter, in either place you are still a slave." My2cents, it will absolutely matter, I promise you. Neither you or I combined with all our imaginations could not even come close to the Hell that awaits you, that is how much it will matter and honestly, I hope you adjust your will and get saved. I believe that you do believe but are so hurt by something that you deny God. His word is convicting you of something. Believe on Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. No one goes to the Father unless they believe in the Son.

0 Points gilberta 18 Feb 2013 General Comment

Man created gods....but no one created God, He would not be GOD if that was so. You are right about religion, it is a big turn off, nothing but rules. Jesus hated religion. It is not about religion, it is about a relationship. If there wasn't a God, what's the use; exist, for what? The only way to improve humanity is to relay His message. This world system is so fractured, governments all around us are crumbling, everything is spinning out of control. Love, peace, happiness, you will not find it in this world's system; it does not last and is short-lived. The reality of God and all his splendor is the very essence of freedom, there is no limits and it is neverending...true Peace Love and Joy is of God. To me it takes blind faith to not believe in God and fear will keep you right where you are....God bless you my my2cents!

0 Points me 23 Jul 2012 General Comment

science is not there to disprove god. God is irrelevant to science. Science is there to understand the natural world and universe. it is a quest for truth. The idea that there is a god is so stupid its hard for me to comprehend. why do u need god? When u die that is it. there is no proof at all to the contrary. also how the hell do u know that something can come from nothing. how do u define nothing? Get an unbiased education.

0 Points son-Goku 04 Jul 2014 General Comment

So here's my question for you: if science is the quest for truth.. what truth? If we are just randomly selected, if the universe was here by chance... what's the point? Without God there's no reason for science to try to Answer the ultimate questions. I believe in science I am a evolutionary biologist and have a minor in philosophy. But I'm also Catholic. I reject creationism because it's not true science. Earth is not 6000 years old...impossible. I believe in evolution. I believe in the big bang. Science is truth. But so is God. I think its funny how we can believethat its possible for advanced intelligence to exist out in space or a super intelligence to emerge from technology one day but we can't believe that its possible for a extremely advanced super intelligence to have been behind the creation of the universe? God is not some magical ancient god of myths he's a highly evolved super intelligence . Beyond human comprehension. Science without religion is lame , religion without science is blind. You should all know who said those words. The bible is poetic ment to deliver truth to an age before science. We need to be opened minded. Atheist need to understand that being close minded to the bible is wrong becuase we really don't know about our universe as much as we think we do. Creationism.. needs to die. It's making religion seem like mythology and confuse the masses . Your wrong! Live with it. I have books and papers I plan to release so you all can read about my science
/ religion theory. As the great movie actor once Said "there's more to life and humans that meets the eye" good night everybody :)

0 Points gilberta 17 Feb 2013 General Comment

GOD IS SCIENCE

0 Points jenifferjones 19 Sep 2012 General Comment

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0 Points LOVE THE TRUTH 01 Aug 2012 Stance on Question: General Comment

Let us use Engineering/Technical terms for human body and brain [programs]...
Quoted from www.simplesite.com/7churches/51348526

Anyone wants
any human-invented
application software upgrading
for the mind[brain]?
or hardware upgrade for the body?

Note just using Engineering/Technical terms for our human
'natural-God-created-program
/application softwares'
and hardwares which includes:-

1)Growth application software from the day we are conceived...which multiplies our cells into trillions of cells perfectly in different phases of requirements depending on the DNA program which are pre-set even before our birth.

2)Hardware application software for all the trillion sensors [hardware] connected to our cells :-
a)skin:to monitor thermal/pressure
with cushion for impact prevention feature
and different protection recovery systems
for the blood vessels, bone,
and sweat producing feature in case
of overheat,
[note: comes in different colours
for different brands]

b)ear:to monitor vibration/sound/voice
and to produce fluid to kill/remove
unwanted dust or bacteria

c)heart:to pump at 60-100x per minute
or >31,000,000x per year
for blood circulation with oxygen
into every blood vessels of body,
synchronised by the Biological Clock
signals of the brain.

d)lungs:to inhale & exhale air at
12-20x per minute
or >6,200,000x per year
for selecting and transfering oxygen
into blood streams of heart
more...
g)brain:to send superhighspeed controls
and to monitor all data/memory storage
/replay/calculation/system applications
/etc.
also to provide different clocks signals
for heart-rate and lungs' breathing-rate.

more... n)eyes:to sense different shades
and colours of light and
to provide crystal clear images
or videos to the brain.
Other Features includes:-
i) eye muscles for [Pan-tilt],
ii) iris for [auto-aperture],
iii) pupil/cornea[auto-zoom & focus]
iv) eyelid/lashes with tears
for cleaning wiping the lens.

more... w)note all other organs or etc
not included in above list: has all fullproof
and even hidden softwares included.

3) Immune System which is a fullproof
anti-virus software for protecting our whole body hardwares against any intrusion
such as restore, repair, recovery, rejecting[defect] application softwares for every organs or parts.

4) Self learning natural intelligent System software which includes:

i) lifetime instant icon image recognition
for images or videos from eyes
with instant highspeed search and
replay features

ii) lifetime instant voice
speech recognition from ears with instant
highspeed search and replay features

iii) lifetime instant chemical recognition
for taste/thermal info from tongue with
instant highspeed search
and replay features

iv) lifetime instant pleasure recognition
for pressure/thermal info from skin with
instant highspeed search
and replay features

v) lifetime instant smell recognition
from nose with instant highspeed search
and replay features

vi) lifetime highspeed with improving
supermega data analysing software and
highspeed database search
and recall feature

vii) lifetime choice making decision
influencing information from sensors such
as love, care, emotional concerns of
the heart
...

0 Points realist 06 Aug 2012 General Comment

Had to comment. you are mentally unwell. see a doctor urgently. you poor dellusionl person. get well soon.

0 Points forty 06 Nov 2012 General Comment

realist...real is t?
Yes... t[cross] is real!

0 Points THE TRUTH 03 Jul 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

Once again, there is no real solid evidence to prove either case is correct. Even with substantial evidence, science has taught us that theories can be disproved in a matter of years. Although science is trying to paint a picture of what might have been in the past, it is still only an abstract picture. It is foolish to claim that these theories to be regarded as facts. Science is always about trial and error, and as much as we know about science, there have always been more errors than our expected outcomes.

Also, arrogantly declaring a religion is correct or false is honestly embarrassing.

But it is fascinating on how lucky we are that the earth was created in such a rare way. Without the precise angle of the two planets colliding, and the moon forming from the debris, the earth would have never been given life. Without the moon, regular seasons that support life would have never existed. The earth is positioned at the exact distance from the sun in which life can strive. We have never found another planet like earth, we have never found another planet with life. Whether you see it as the result of a god or not, it is truly amazing on how lucky we really are.

0 Points LOVE THE TRUTH 04 Jul 2012 General Comment

pls see www.simplesite.com/7churches there is another EARTH found and is EARTH's Twin...

0 Points Special K 09 Aug 2012 General Comment

Wow, let's move there. I'm serious, get the spaceships built and let's all go....now. I'm also serious when I say you are a complete retard.

0 Points God's WORLD Revealed 06 Nov 2012 General Comment

spaceships already built by JESUS! I am going without you 'Special K'

0 Points mike 01 Jun 2012 General Comment

Why not PRAISE GOD WHO CREATED MANkind who could invent NUCLEAR BOMBS within 6000years which monkeys need zillion of years to do?

Humans use human logic and so not able to understand God who is unlimited and infinitely huge.

Just like a man stretching out his hands by 1.8m distance in 1 second...would take a snail to travel this 1.8m in possibly few minutes...

Infinite God can fill the ENTIRE UNIverse and create a SUPER HUGE SPACE [UNIVERSE] within days.

GOD FILLS ALL SPACE!
GOD is LIGHT!

Why not 'ASSUME' that ALL-POWERFUL GOD could stretched the UNIverse within days and GOD COVERS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS and ZILLIONS OF Kilometers of SPACE!

Mankind reasoning is always base SOLELY ON 'ASSumption' that
1) speed of light is CONSTANT
2) light is not affected by ELECTRON-MAGNETIC ENERGY
3) there could be many more CHARACTERISTICS of LIGHT which MANkind ignores or know not.
so Mankind concluded that the light of farthest stars 'NEED' 'billion light years' to travel this SPACE to be seen on earth.

1)Why not 'ASSUME' that Light is zillion times faster when God created the STARS in the beginning?
2)Why not 'ASSUME' that ELECTRON-MAGNETIC ENERGY can affect Light and increase speed or bend light?
3)Why not 'ASSUME' that there are many more unknown CHARACTERISTICS of LIGHT?
Truth could be that the STARS are just thousands of years away and that the farthest stars had the fastest speed of Light than the nearest stars seen on earth.

Mankind always calculate base on linear assumption and ignore exponential values.

Manking always think on 2 dimension and could not understand 3 dimensional objects easily and so not easy to share the information.

Why not PRAISE GOD WHO CREATED MANkind who could invent NUCLEAR BOMBS within 6000years which monkeys need zillion of years to do?

0 Points rmf 01 Jun 2012 General Comment

hi, with all due respect the proud atheist is correct in saying you are doing quite a bit of assuming. science has a process. a theory is assumed incorrect and then goes through rigorous research to form any kind of conclusions. which have been know to change with new knowledge within the context of real research and physics which you must agree you don't have the schooling or backround to speak intelligently on. why throw in an ancient god who needs praise for creation? if you take the ancient writing literal, that is reading it from it's denotation instead of it's connotation, believing the metaphors as facts you are certainly free to do so. but stating god created man is a viewpoint. it might just be that god is the ultimate elementary idea of mankind. as nietzcshe said, "is man on of gods blunders or is god one of mans blunders". interesting thought. i don't know enough about spirt or continuation after death but the ancient writings to me anyway are very lame.

0 Points gilberta 17 Feb 2013 General Comment

How amusing....At this point in time we know that we are a spirit, created to give life to our body. Our body needs sleeps, but not our spirit; this is the reason why we dream. It is always reaching out. This God of ours, if He is not real why do so many people experience Him in such a tangible way; how is it that He has such a huge following? We are not talking about some statue or idol; we are talking about a living being. It has taken me almost a lifetime to grasp the magnitude of who He is and frankly, at this point, the only one I do trust. This God the Bible speaks of He is Science; He is the whole "kit and caboodle" so to speak. You ought to read His Word; it is brilliant; inspiring (for lack of words) and the only thing that will last! Just because you do not believe it doesn't mean He doesn't exist...LOVE TO YOU ALL!

0 Points proud atheist 01 Jun 2012 General Comment

thats alot of assuming you just done there. Now why not acknowledge what we have discovered through science, acknowledge that nothing we have so far found out requires a god as you described. And then assume that in time science and logic will give us the answer to questions that we dont yet have the answer to. But we should never be as lazy as to say somethin is supernatural or created by god just because we dont yet fully understand it. As i said everything we have discovered about our universe, planet species etc is based on fact. Nothing we have discovered requires a god, or sole creator of any kind. Your bible is not fact but fiction. If we are going to make so many assumptions surely its better to make the rright logical ones.

0 Points Psalm 53 06 Jun 2012 General Comment

april fool day for atheist...because "the fool has said in his heart, that there is no God." pl read Psalm 53...

0 Points proud atheist 13 Jun 2012 General Comment

Number 1. Its not april. Number 2. It is only halfwit fools like yourself that believe any of that psalm bible horse shit.Number 3. There is no reason to believe in god. If you cannot accept reality and that when you die you die then that is up to you. But to attempt to scare an atheist with some quote from your bible is very foolish indeed. Just because some people prefer to be good people without the fear of your dictator of a god does not mean you are in anyway superior or better than them. In fact if you look into it you will find that the majority of people clogging up prisons are christians and secular societys are among the most successful. We should bring back the death penalty in all countries then maybe we will see your dogmatic religion die out quicker thean it already is.

0 Points Nicole Angelique Friloux 18 Feb 2013 Stance on Question: General Comment

I enjoy learning everyones belief and everyone has there own interpretations and opinions on how where we came from and where we go when we die and etc but the reason why i like learning different beliefs whether its science or religions or generation or just your own personal outlook is because i feel that everyones belief has some truth in it what i dont understand is why we are so quick to judge eachother and so quick to focus on what we dont agree on instead of focusing on what we can agree on everyone believes in love even devil worshipers believe in loving there significant other or there god lucifer. everyone can agree on wanting to live a wealthy life and making there dreams come true and everyone can agree on wanting to succeede in life and exceling and etc. We need to stop being so quick to judge eachother and disagree and start taking the time to learn what someone beliefs are and figure out what you can relate. I love everyone i just pray that everyone learns there talents and masters them and i pray all your positive dreams come in to existence everone have a wonderful blessed day

Sincereley
Nicole Angelique Friloux

0 Points Gilberta 17 Feb 2013 General Comment

Now I know why you do not believe in Him; I know, it is deep. Regardless of what you think, He loves you with an everlasing love. If you did not have a praying mom or grandmother or whoever, perhaps you are safe of this revelation; but if you did...it is only a matter of time before your identity is known.

0 Points mike 07 Jun 2012 General Comment

See part7 of Hebrew Letters - DNA of Creation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mGYc9ea2nZg

0 Points rmf 31 May 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

hi, the bible is a book written by people. they had no idea of the workings of the universe as we know today or evolution. the earth was the center of everything. i actually can understand why this was thought. if i watch the sun rise and move across the sky and i lived then without the knowledge we now have i would think it was moving and not the earth. the flat earth, i have heard the bible's quote of the circle of the earth. when i look at the moon i see a circle but i would not think is was round like a ball. god created light before the sun. what we know today of how sun's are formed and the gravity to hold the solar system together and create planets alone should be enough to logically know it is incorrect. the two great lights that were made later which the moon is not a light at all but the sun reflecting off it. i really don't think they believed the sun gave light to all the earth, first they had no idea of the entire planet just their part of the world which they believed was the entire earth. it's metaphorical. it say's two great lights were made on to rule over the day to give light upon the earth that already had light. they use day a night for their area of the world which is all they new. it's alway's day and night somewhere in the world at the same time. plant life came before the sun which we know isn't possible. i could go on but there is no need. it belongs to a ancient time and a different people. it holds no credibility. it seems people subscribe to the bible either out of ignorance of today's science, raised that way without the drive to investigate further and of course the fear of death. believing in something for comfort. which would be more of an emotional belief and the worst time to try and think rationally.

0 Points Proud believer in God 16 Jul 2012 General Comment

Dear atheist dont argue with a Christian or anything contained in the Bible unless you educate yourself first. Saying that the Bible was created by men to control men is just an uneducated argument and can easily be disproved. You guys believe in the big bang where essentially there was nothing and then boom there was something. Nd that one single organism created all life that we see nd that lived in the past. But you can't believe that there is an intelligent creator who created us all nd has a purpose for life. That amazes me. Nd Christians if we ever plan to have a successful argument with atheist or anyone of different faiths we need to educate ourselves. Our else we sound retreaded and lidless followers even that is not the case get educated Christians.

0 Points Destroyer 08 Mar 2014 General Comment

So, are you saying that god just snapped his fingers and there was light? You have the same argument as the Big Bang Believers, something created out of nothing. If you type in google, there are planet of other ways that the universe could be created.

0 Points various 23 May 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

the earth is billions of years old civilisation is about 6 thousand years old do your homework idiots

0 Points gilberta 18 Feb 2013 General Comment

Hey, as a believe I can live with the earth being 4.55 billion years old; that does not stop me from believing in Him. He has no beginning so that is not so far fetched. And I can still live with the time line of the creation of man, no big deal. We may not agree with each other or have all the answers; but it does not matter, He does.

0 Points gods servant 25 May 2012 General Comment

Oh go and take a huge sniff of my grandads dry wrinkly butthole. Cunts like you are good for one thing, licking up the steaming shit of fetid rabid dogs. You smell worse than my grans stretchy dry baggy old piss flats so shut the fuck up. Go finger your dad. GOD IS REAL and i wont listen to your inbred lies wankers.

0 Points gilberta 18 Feb 2013 General Comment

gods servant??....oh now I get it, little "g"...you serve that little god...and not The one and only God, Creator of Heaven and Earth....you are excused for saying all those sick words.

0 Points Rebecca 12 Aug 2012 General Comment

hey ..I am a Christian an the bible says speak the truth in love and I am ashamed that you spoke like this to non believers, what a shame. Live by example and let God show them truth, I am praying for you knocking down people. I will pray for the damage you have done.

0 Points Solo 13 Jun 2012 Stance on Question: General Comment

God teached you very good grammar.

0 Points chuntley 06 Jun 2012 General Comment

Are you ill?

0 Points Anonymous 26 May 2012 General Comment

Yes, what you say is exactly the words God wanted you to use as a christian.... God must be proud of your vocabulary!!!!!!!!

0 Points gods servant 25 May 2012 General Comment

I mean flaps, not flats. Piss flaps.

0 Points gods servant 25 May 2012 General Comment

0 Points zeb 29 May 2012 General Comment

but surely by your theory 'adam and eve' makes us all inbred wankers. . .

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 General Comment

Religious people are responsible for more in-breeding than anyone else.

The Earth is billions of years old.

Anyone who doesn't think so, needs to be taken to a mental institution.

The Universe is about 13.7 billion years old.

Nowhere in The Bible does it say The Earth is 6000 Years Old.

That is just a creation of stupid people.

The Universe being 13.7+ billion years old does not disprove God.

0 Points gilberlta 18 Feb 2013 General Comment

It does not matter how old the earth is....as an unbeliever you think you got it all figured out just because of that!. Hey, use what you need, totally understand, been there, done that. One thing you cannnot do is change the truth about this jesus 2000 years ago died on a cross for believers and nonbelievers alike, or the fact that mankind entered earth 6000 years ago. Why are people so upset about such an inspiring, heart-felt, and for so many a life-saving messsage; what is the threat?!...You need to think about your response, what is up with that!

0 Points servant of God 08 Jun 2012 General Comment

God has no beginning or end. How can the one who created ALL THE UNIVERSES that we know of and we dont know of be created? If something is created, it has a beginning. This CANNOT be said about God. God is the Truth, and He sent messengers to this earth who were humans like us to give us good news about the awesome life to come for the believers in the next life, and to warn us of a painful punishment. Listen to these true words of God my brothers in humanity! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pOOz6NZRu8 :)

0 Points Daniel 29 May 2012 General Comment

Why couldn't God just make a 13.7 billion year old universe?

Also, it does say that a day to God is as a thousand years in Peter and Proverbs or Psalms i think? 6000 for creation 1000 of rest. then we coincidentally notice this theme recurring in the book of Revelations where there is a thousand year kingdom set up 'New Jerusalem' capping the 7th day of this 6000 year earth theory. (in about 4 years) call me crazy but all you bible lovers should pray about it and give this vid a chance its pretty heavy on endtimelines and hebrewology.
and you mods and admins should tell these 'experts' to give this a chance and see what they think and get back to me cause i think this guy is undeniable...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1bkB1nShSU

0 Points proud atheist 03 Jun 2012 General Comment

you creationists really come up with a load of crap. What would be the point in creating an old universe exactly? Your argument for a young earth is so flawed. Get yourself an education. I pity you people if you think this it just shows how ludicrous some people can be. GOD IS NOT REQUIRED , THERE IS NO GODS. Why is that so hard for you to grasp.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

Well, what would be the point in creating a young universe? If God exists, and if he’s really all-powerful, then wouldn’t either way be just as easy? Think of this:

There are some people who want to be forensic scientists in the area of bombs. What they’ll do for exercises is the teachers will set off a bomb in a room and have the interns have a look around. They look at clues such as fire marks and smoke stains to determine what kind of bomb went of and in which area of the room it was located.

Now, the teachers could either set off a real bomb for the exercise, or they could hand paint the smoke marks, and strategically make fire burn the walls oh so precisely. For us it would be so much easier to just set off the real thing, right? I mean, why waste all that time and energy setting it up? That’s your argument. And it totally makes sense. But what if there was, say, a wizard who could either set off the bomb OR snap his fingers to set everything up? Then it wouldn’t matter which way he did it, because both ways would be just as easy.

Of course there are no such things as wizards, and you say there is no such thing as God. So with that reasoning, of /course/ the universe would be old. But if there WAS a God who could do anything, then I think it makes sense to believe that we can’t truly know if the universe is old or if God just “snapped his fingers and planted evidence” that the universe is old.

0 Points Rebecca 12 Aug 2012 General Comment

Hello. I recently read a book, and I encourage you to check it out. "The Evidence That demands a Verdict" It was written by an Atheist who was a professor, if you have an open mind you should totally check it out. Spoken politely.

0 Points Proud believer in God 16 Jul 2012 General Comment

And also you can't say how our argument is so flawed when science is also. You can do all the test in the world about carbon dating and such but at the end of the day it is just theory. Because you cannot kno 100% what really happened back then because you were not there. So you have to put your hope faith and belief in whatever the scientist conclusion was. Which is what we do as Christians with God. So yall feel that being an atheist is your lack of belief when you do generally have a religion but y'all just call it science.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 Stance on Question: Agree

That’s a good point. Sure, Christianity is definitely lackingin proof, but the scientific methods aren’t accurate either. I mean think of this: there have been so many times in scientific history when some discovery was made and the scientists say “Wow! Everything we thought we knew about the world was wrong! It turns out that the molecular structure of a rock isn’t really-—blah blah blah--after all!...” So with what we “know” to be true constantly changing, we can’t prove that God //does// exist, but just as well as we can’t prove that he //doesn’t// exist either.

0 Points Proud believer in God 16 Jul 2012 General Comment

If he could make GROWN people why couldnt he create a GROWN earth. I understand that you have the right to Believe what you want but don't be rude to those who disagree.

0 Points God Rocks 03 Dec 2014 Editorial Comment

Great name

0 Points proud atheist 18 Jul 2012 General Comment

I will be rude to anyone who i believe is being stupid. i.e you . you fucking moron. stop saying and thinking such patheiically ignorant things and then maybe people would respect you a bit more. until then please stop ur whingeing for someone who gives a fuck about what you think. Cunt.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

P.A. If you think everyone here is such an idiot then just stop reading the forum. I don’t understand why you even bother if everyone’s making you so mad.

0 Points proud atheist 18 Jul 2012 General Comment

you are a fucking idiot. you keep harping on about education. number one learn how to spell. then go and educate yourself on what a theory means in science. the earth orbiting the sun is a theory but i suppose a crack pot like you dont believe in that. oe gravity. you are a dying breed and when you dopey yanks wake up and accept that there is NO evidence for god the better off we will all be. your stupid creationist arguments are the same as they were fifty years ago. Dumb fucking christian ass hole.

0 Points gilberta 18 Feb 2013 General Comment

Man Dude, who in the hell did you so wrong. It is so blatent, dont even try to lie!....and at this point you are doing it to yourself, wakeup! Isn't there anybody in your life you love or you can say loves you, if so wake up for them; if not, you need God even more than the next guy.

0 Points proud atheist 18 Jul 2012 General Comment

0 Points God Sucks 23 Aug 2012 General Comment

I am so glad Australia isn't religiously fanatical. Keep fighting the good fight brother.

0 Points blobby 21 May 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

If you believe in a god, a god that is all powerful, then anything is possible. Therfore it is impossible to prove or disprove anything, as you cannot use Human's collective understanding of 'reality' as a basis. God can do anything.
Personally I believe in science, mostly because it sets up 'rules' which stand only until they can be 'disproven' to our (human's) collective understanding of 'reality'. So for example, we can 'prove' gravity exists because if I drop a pencil it fall's to the floor. I find this the most useful means to construct me reality, and go about my everyday life.
However now imagine my reality is in fact something like the Matrix. Or that none of the rules of science/physics exist at all and it is all someone's dream. Or that there are infinite universes with infinite worlds where infinite alternative realities are unfolding. These last 3 sound like ludicrous ideas because they don't conform to our collective understanding of 'reality', they are not useful and do not help us conduct our everyday lives.
It's the age-old conundrum, if a tree falls in the wood and there is no-one to hear it, does it make a sound. You would probably think 'yes of course it does' - but this is only based on things that you 'know' - or rather, it hasn't been proven that a tree doesn't make a sound if no-one is there to hear it :)

0 Points Mach10X 22 Aug 2012 General Comment

If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody to observe it, it does make a sound. It's called conservation of energy. The potential energy of the tree from it's position is converted into kinetic energy (the motion of the falling tree). When the tree is stopped by the ground it transforms into other types of energy, heat, and percussive kinetic forces. Kinetic energy is imparted into the ground and surrounding air, creating pressure waves or sound waves. Now we could get into a debate about quantum physics which asks the question, if a try might fall, will it have fallen...the tree is then in a state of superposition of both having fallen and not fallen, and is not until it is observed that the waveform collapses. Welcome to my world.

0 Points Paul 19 May 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

Nowhere does the Bible say that the earth was created 6000 years ago: the Bible provides a lineage of man dating to Adam that goes back 6,000 years (I've personally studied and computed this lineage to verify the claims of the Biblical "scholars" and if you'd like a copy of the spreadsheet I created tracing/confirming the lineage, please email me at paulperk at gmail and I'd be glad to send you a copy).

If you read the Bible literally, it says that earth and all of its creations were created in 7 days; however, if you read the Bible literally, it also says that, to God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is but a day - a description that I interpret to mean that time is infinite. I see no inherent conflict that earth could have been created, dinosaurs roamed the earth for millions of years and got wiped out by a meteor or volcanic ash, man was created, and the great flood occurred, etc.

0 Points frank 20 Aug 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

See that is where Christians get it wrong. The bible does not say that he created the earth in 7days actually 6 because the 7th is the day of rest. If you would look at the Hebrew what is happening is that this creation is a renewal of a planet that was ruined. In the first verse he says he made the land and sky and in the se3cond it became tahu and bohu sort of what it would be spelled like in english. Which is deformed and lifeless. These exact same two words are used in Jeremiah when he speaks of what will happen to the land of Israel after an invading army attacks. So this world was devastated by some kind of war or catastrophe. And then it was reformed in 6 days.

The word use for land has the word used that God used of the light of the sun because light was able to reach this land. The land beneath the oceans is not included in this word so he is not speaking of the whole earth being created but drying up some of the land masses so the light of the sun could reach them its also possible but Im not quite sure that he pushed the land masses up out of the water.But anyways the earth existed before this 6 day re-creation so it could be 4.5 billion years old or even older

0 Points This is only a test... 17 Oct 2012 General Comment

And why exactly does an omnipotent God need to rest?

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

Maybe to set an example for us. In the Bible God said that we should rest an the 7th day and keep it holy just as he had. So I guess I take it more as him setting up a reason for us to relax let our bodies repair themselves, and to find time for us to just sit back physically and focus on us worshiping him. At least that’s what I think right now. That’s a really good question! I think I’ll bring it up in Sunday school.

0 Points God Sucks 23 May 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

You're a fool, if Adam was created on the sixth day and he lived through that day, then the day after and so-on (and since you think a day is like a thousand years) he would be a couple of thousand years old by the end of the seven days of creation, and that's just 2 days according to the shit dribble called genesis. Now how the hell could a 2000 year old man even contemplate starting the world's population? They couldn't of had viagra back then surely. This contradicts what your bible says he actually lived to, and that was around 930 years. And another thing, your god apparently rested on day 7, the israelites call this the day of sabbath and so they themselves rest for one day, it would be absurd to think that they would rest for a thousand years every 7 days (or 7 thousand years), after all, you think a day was a thousand years didn't you. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in the bible that states that a day was anything but a normal day. Your bible points to a 6000 year old earth, nothing more. Now if you are religious, surely you must accept this straight up, it's what your hand book of life states. But if you think otherwise, then you are calling your bible a book of lies (as I do all the time) and you couldn't possibly believe in a shit god and the bible written by man and you see the light as an atheist, which is what all mankind should do. Evolution and a very old earth is the truth. And to you Klepscho in below blog, the only one who has sex with animals is you fucking dickwad, I bet dogs get nervous around you.

0 Points Klepscho 10 May 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

All this arguing nonsense and people don't believe we evolved from apes and therefore humans are animals? Therefore humans can have sex with animals? What a country we live in! Population: Dumbass Scientific and Religious Douchebags!

0 Points Anonymous 12 May 2012 General Comment

And one massive cock sucker in yourself you muppet

0 Points Anonymous 03 May 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

How do you describe the world population growth on a graph. As you go back in time it obviously decreases, back to a point at which there was only two people here? Or if the world evolved over billions of years don't you think there would be more people? Does it point more toward creation?

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

There was never "two people"

All life evolved from common ancestors

There is no such thing as "the first human"

This is a typical mis-understanding my religious people.

Adam and Eve did not exist.

Those are the facts.

0 Points moral man 09 May 2012 General Comment

Anyone who believes that there is no god is blind and stupid. You only need to go outside to see that the world has been created for us. look at the trees and the clouds. we are gods children and you atheists will burn for eternity unless you repent of your blasphemy and accept the lord jesus into your hearts. its not to late for you to be saved. god loves you and wants you to be healed of your wicked thoughts and actions. atheists have no moral compass and are therefore less likely to have any morals. In my experience they are cold angry people that have been brain washed into believeing in science. Ask yourself what has science really done for us? Not much at all really. amen

0 Points God Sucks 13 May 2012 General Comment

Fuck off clown, if there is no heaven, then there is no hell. You can stick your god up your arse. We may have been brainwashed into believing science, but you have been brainwashed into believing religion. Science has done everything for us, how the fuck did you manage to blog this shit if science didn't create the PC, or television, radio...the list goes on, or you would be dead of some plague if science hadn't created a cure to eradicate it, praying to god doesn't cure anything. Fuck me you are such a knob. Fucking idiot.

0 Points moral man 14 May 2012 General Comment

Alright no need to cry!But i think you just proved my point about atheists, thanks for that. GOD BLESS YOU. P.S.god created science therefore he created this p.c and radios and cures for plagues Amen brother.

0 Points God Sucks 14 May 2012 General Comment

Have you seen a pc being made, or a radio? I didn't see it magically assemble itself with no human aid. Maybe it was your god who created the plagues, and scientists that cured them, it wasn't your god who cured them otherwise why else would he create the plague in the first place. You are so deluded it is hard to fathom how on earth you manage to do anything with your beliefs. You talk like your amish, get off your computer and plough some fields fool.

0 Points proud atheist 15 May 2012 General Comment

Moral man. Where do i start with you. Firstly if i am honest i i doubt you even believe that crap you wrote i think you are only looking to provoke people. Secondly if you are genuine you are probably the most deluded person on the planet. Are you mentally unwell. Science is a tool that is used to either prove or disprove theories by testing them. Go take a look in your fucking bible and see where it says anything about science being created by god! You truly are the dumbest mother fucker i have ever heard of. God did not create anything because there is no god. Do us all a favour and jump off a cliff if you bounce and are unhurt send me the video then maybe you can claim god exists till then please shut the fuck up.

0 Points God Sucks 15 May 2012 General Comment

it appears, brother, that moral man may have been Sunday schooled only. He can only comprehend the false words of his pitiful god and nothing else. Certainly nothing scientific.

0 Points proud atheist 18 May 2012 General Comment

I think you are absolutely right mate, what an idiot. I just dont get some people. At least there are those of us that can actually use our brains and think for ourselves. And our numbers are growing all the time. Hopefully one day this out-dated practice of religion will disappear completely. Till then all we can do is fight the fight and hope that common sense and reason prevails

0 Points Maylene 14 May 2012 General Comment

Yo, Moral Man,

Your being really harsh! Number 1: I have met LOTS of athiests who are moral and kind, and at the same time, I know that there are cristians who are pretty cold and don't seem to have any morals because they are already saved. These are really rude accusations that your making!
I can understand that you might be upset at athiests because you don't understand how they can't believe what you do, but you should try not to be so overly dramatic about it. Number 2: God DID give us the brains to invent things using science, so believing in science doesn't mean that your brainwashed. Theories of evolution, & such, may not be entirly true, but that doesn't mean that God didn't create by using science at least a little bit.
And another thing: God Sucks's comment doesn't "prove your point about atheists" because you MADE him mad. You just insulted him and his beliefs, and it's only normal that he would give you a "cold angry" response! No doubt that it made you at least a bit mad when he told you to "fuck off." You might not have retaliated by using bad words, but you're still continuing to provoke him(or her). In fact, your comment made ME mad, even though I actually AM a christian.
In the moment after reading your comment, I MYSELF even considered leaving a hate comment (I'm not justifying that it would have been alright for me to do so. I'm only saying that your remark doesn't prove anything because it DID actually INVOKE anger).

0 Points moral man 16 May 2012 General Comment

God would be ashamed of one of his children siding with the atheist heretics on here, therefore maylene you should be ashamed of yourself. I am not trying to anger anyone with my comments only educate as a good christian should. you need to search your soul to establish which side of the argument you are on. I fear for you but if you confess you heretical thoughts thereis still a chance for yku to be saved. Defending god sucks and his kind will give you a one way ticket to hell. You are fortunate that the lord is forgiving. He sacrificed his son because of people like God sucks, sinners. I will pray for you and him because i really care about you both and want you to go to heaven forever. Some people cannot be saved i get that, but as a christian it is my duty to try. Some people really are the pond life they believe in above god. Brainwashed and full of the devil. Not worth defending.

0 Points God Sucks 23 May 2012 General Comment

Stay out of this witch burner, continue your search for gay porn and stop proving to everyone here that you would have been more happier living in the 12th century, having sexual relations with disgruntled badgers and innocent squirrels. Stupid fucking hard core christian.

0 Points God Sucks 16 May 2012 General Comment

Maybe your god should sacrifice you to try and save me, it won't work but fuck I'd be happier.

0 Points God Sucks 16 May 2012 General Comment

Go back to the dark ages dick bag, if it wasn't for scientists we would still be there, forever held back by a faggot pope and witch burners like you. So I will say again...FUCK OFF! See you in hell cum guts.

0 Points moral man 15 May 2012 General Comment

wind your neck in!

0 Points God Sucks 15 May 2012 General Comment

No moral loser, you pull your head in, god fearing cock sucker. You have no morals, and I seriously doubt that you even have a brain. You sound like a catholic from the 13th century what with all the talk of going to hell if we don't believe. Get with the times idiot, these days people have free will and don't have to bend over backwards to appease this god of yours, if we don't believe then we don't believe, it is my choice and I tell you it is bloody awesome not having to dedicate myself to something that doesn't exist, leaves more dedication to my family, and they will never have a bar of this mythical god you seem to worship without mercy, cursing others to so-called hell if we don't believe in what you believe. It proves that the only religious fanatics in this world aren't muslims, it's fuck heads like you.

0 Points frank 20 Aug 2012 General Comment

Im not a Christian but I am Jewish and a believer and I would take god sucks out and have him stoned to death without a second thought

0 Points Anonymous 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

So, you’re sort of taking up the exact same attitude that you’re mad a him for having.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

Sorry,the above comment is by Maylene. I forgot to type my name in.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

The point I'm trying to get across is that everyone needs to CHILL. All I was saying is the God Sucks should calm down and not be so judgmental. It’s not like I’m thinking “Oh, hey. He’s a freak who’s gotta die.” Um, NO! I just want you guys to try not to let your emotions get the better of you.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

Oops. It’s been so long since I read the forum that I forgot that God Sucks was the calm one and that Moral Man was the angry one. Sorry God Sucks! I thought you were the other dude.

But seriously though. Both of you guys have gotta take a few minutes to chill. Neither of you are getting your point across very effectively when your both being so cruel to each other.

If your just letting off steam then go right ahead as you have been. But of your goal is truly to get your point across, I just thought I’d let you two know (in case it wasn’t obvious) that //Neither Of You Is Getting Through To The Other Because Your Both Just Making Each Other Mad!!//

0 Points God Sucks 23 Aug 2012 General Comment

Fuck off jew

0 Points Maylene 06 Aug 2012 General Comment

Don't worry God Sucks. I can assure you that not all of us Christians are hard core and witch burners.

0 Points Scotty 03 May 2012 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

Did you really just ask, "if the world evolved over billions of years don't you think there would be more people?"
Will all do respect that is the dumbest questions you could ask. Of course there would be a whole lot more of people. But you are forgetting people die everyday, historical events (Holocaust, etc.). There would be around 600,000 more people in the world if it was not for Hitler. Genocide's in Africa (Rwanda, etc.), WARS kill people if you didn't know that and in recorded and in non-recorded history there has been a lot of wars. Animals kill people, Nature disasters kill people (Katrina in new Orleans, tsunami in Thailand, earthquake in japan, etc.), people commit suicide, people go insane and kill a whole bunch of people, Food kills people, sun kills people, INFECTION kills people ( a huge factor before mankind real understood medicine, bubonic plague, etc.).
So, before you put rhetorical and obvious questions, please think before you type.
P.S. im not raging or angry or mad or attacking you, Im just letting you know that when you post questions like this it makes you sound like (no offense) a complete idiot, I just want you to sound better i guess lol.
By the way if your name "anonymous" is after that hacker group, isnt that kind of childish and stupid. Have a great day, feel free to respond, if by some very small chance i am wrong, ill also give you so more tips too.

0 Points Anonymous 04 May 2012 General Comment

No, you douche. I'm pretty sure Anonymous is going to pop up after I hit post and don't put a name in the slot. We'll see.

0 Points Anonymous 04 May 2012 General Comment

Yep. That's what happened. Not because the original poster was naming himself "after that hacker group". Even though I agree with your side of the argument, you seem pretty childish and stupid.

0 Points JAH 03 Apr 2012 General Comment

So an atheist gets bent out of shape when talking to christians or other persons when he feels threaten...do you always have to cuss...do you feel we hear your opinion better when you cuss....and im sure i will get a lot of foul language after this...guess what,I am christian...and the earth is billions of years old...yes i said it...ANd theres life in other galaxys ...no i dont have proof..but are you gonna tell me that god created the universe with one planet with life???I dont believe the bible is "what it says" is what it means...no brain washing here...

0 Points Anonymous 04 May 2012 General Comment

Fuck yeah.

0 Points Lord 02 May 2012 General Comment

So you're a Diest?

0 Points proud atheist 05 Apr 2012 General Comment

That just proves how the religeous pick and choose which parts of their religion suits them and which parts they dont. You dont sound much like a christian to me but then u all speak nonsence so how would i know. You either believe or you dont . you sound a bit confused to me. Oh yeah, the only reason u aint brain washed is cos you are too stupid even for that. Fucking prick.

0 Points Anonymous 04 May 2012 General Comment

What a little douche bag.

0 Points Anonymous 08 Aug 2012 General Comment

personally i think all of you are total tools because mainly majority of you joined mtvs we hate god group to get laid which is lame and the rest of you using religon as your only source to claim...
Malice I say.....none of you can really say you're men and women of peace and science and religon without being uncivilized douche bags religon is practice and so science...........
false flagging is easy to do when behind a computer or in own shoes and so in short you guys are pathetic it's people like ya'll that don't want religon and sciences to get along because all of dumbass want to be right.

0 Points Special K 09 Aug 2012 General Comment

Opinions are like little dicks, you have one, so keep it to yourself

-1 Point proud christian 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

what some of you dont get is that being athiest is just as religious as being christians. you have to believe that there is no God or that there is. i am a christian and proud. if you are not, then so be it, but dont call me a "shithead christian" because i am a christian. if you really think that there is no God then i will pray for you that He will show you mercy and send someone on your path to set you straight, as for im sure He already did. You are Gods children He gave you free will so that you dont have to be slaves, you made your own choice to follow Him or not. oh and one more thing if you believe that when you die that it is then the end and nothing else, just nothing... then it wont hurt to just try and be a christian where we believe that you can spend an eternity in heaven??

0 Points Anonymous 04 May 2012 General Comment

"free will so that you don't have to be slaves" yet the Bible condones slavery. That makes perfect sense.

0 Points athist and loving life 27 Apr 2012 General Comment

but if you just try to be a christian god would know you wernt realy a christian and send you to hell couse you were faking.and how is being an athiest just as religious as being a christian.i dont think about any after life or whats going to happen to my body.once an athiest figures out that there is no god thats it we dont think on it any more.sure at first we do but after a while we dont think about it unless someone ask us what we believe.or they try to shove how they think we should live our life according to there religous beliefs

0 Points logical thinker 27 Apr 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

He gave us free will? you're saying "god" gave humans the right to think for themselves but in the end we are all going to hell because "god" also gave humans the ability to defy his orders? Relgion is entirely composed of "beliefs" while science offers cold hard calculated facts with numbers right in front of your face. can you offer me any evidence that proves god exists? being an atheist doesnt require beliefs and is no way at all analogous to christians being religious because there is more physical evidence to disprove the existence of god than there is to prove the existence of God.

0 Points God Sucks 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

Religion and Atheism are two different things you "shithead christian", religion is the belief in a higher being, atheism is the non-belief in higher beings, totally different. As for god showing mercy......fuck, that clown endorses slavery, persecution, rape and death, he is one evil mother fucker who laughs at mercy, did he show mercy to the thousands that died on September 11th? Did he show mercy to the millions that have died through religious and territorial wars? Surely you would have read that shit bible and realised this. So save your knee bending for another fake god believing poofter. I am not god's child, I am my parents child, and they their parents children before that, so don't you fucking dare try and presume otherwise. God? There is no god, the sooner you narrow minded pricks realise that the better this planet would be.

0 Points Help 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

Stand for nothing, Fall for anything. you are not only ignorant but patheticly misguided, if you ever read a bible seeking the truth maybe you will find it but instead you will believe what someone else has written or said. the internet is full of rubbish and hate, God does not condone rape, murder or any other form of evil, you are given a free will to express what you want and how you want it, to blame God for terrorist acts is stupid, and just shows how ignorant you really are, test the bible do some searching for yourself.

0 Points God Sucks 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

And you don't believe what someone else has written and said? You didn't write the bible fuckwit, so you are obviously preaching the words of other people. www.evilbible.com, I suggest you read the stuff on this website before you try and say your god is innocent and loving. If anyone is ignorant, it is all the christian shitbags in the world, so pull your head in.

0 Points God Loves 30 Apr 2012 General Comment

Do you not realize God has and will always love you no matter what you have done. Actually read the bible it does not promote slavery it gives a historical account in Exodus about their freedom from slavery stop believing in what some random people tell you believe in the word of God.

0 Points proud atheist 30 Apr 2012 General Comment

You are a naive fool. The word of god as you put it was written by men. I cannot understand modern day people believing such nonsense. Grow up man.

0 Points Chris 29 Mar 2012 General Comment

Wow " god sucks " pleaase dont be on our side ( atheism ) you add nothing to the debate , apart from simple mindedness . Proud christian , just as black is not a colour just the absince of light , atheism is the not the other end of religion its the absonce of religion .

Also you must know that you take a christien man and a Athiesist and both show them 100% proof that the others view is correct only the scientfic man will look at the proof and change his view while the Religious man will carry on regardless . Anyway untill they work out how two of every animal which were on the ark repopulated the earth without genetic problems due to inbreeding , make mine marvel opps i mean Atheism . Peace

0 Points God Sucks 16 May 2012 General Comment

Chris, why don't you put your head between your legs, spread your butt cheeks and stick it in there, you'd be used to the smell what with the crap you just dribbled. Honestly there are too many clowns in the world and not enough circus's.

0 Points swq 23 May 2012 General Comment

You’re the stupidest person and the biggest loser in the whole universe. When you die the earth will smell 1,000 times better without you in it you fucking moron. You probably fuck your own mother which is why you are such a piece of shit that everyone hates.

Whatever you write, I won’t see it because I’m not coming back here – so FUCK YOU!

0 Points swq sucks dick 23 May 2012 General Comment

Go fuck yourself stupid fucking prick. Why don't you go kill yourself. If anyone fucks their own mother it would have to be you, you probably breast fed until you were 18, only cause your mommy loved you sucking her tits. Cock sucking cum stain.

0 Points Ken 01 May 2012 General Comment

Dude You have me absolutely rolling on my knees with laughter, so tell me then. If lightning struck some primordial cesspool of chemicals and the first life cell was created by chance, please feel free to tell me exactly how the second lifecell came about to procreate with the first lifecell without self destructing due to inbreeding. So now to get where we are at, at this point this would have to happen zillions of times with no mistakes in any of the gene pools between all the different species. It's ok to be wrong, God is willing and ready to save you, search the scriptures for truth while He still may be found. Trust Him now, time is running out.

0 Points God Sucks 16 May 2012 General Comment

Why don't you search the scriptures on how to reverse a frontal lobotomy, cause you sound like you've had one...possibly at birth and you've been drooling all over yourself and your bible ever since. Stick to your petty religion and leave the scientific understandings to people who know how to use their brains...Atheists

0 Points Kens a cock 16 May 2012 General Comment

KEN. You are such an uneducated fucking idiot. So how would a cell PROCREATE exactly? Would it put its teeny tiny cell cock into an equally tiny cell vagina? Cells usually split or divide and then continue to duplicate. Stupid stupid stupid bastard.

0 Points Anonymous 04 May 2012 General Comment

And how exactly did Adam and Eve reproduce without inbreeding? Douche.

0 Points LMFAO 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

you have trouble understanding how one male and one female make new generations but you will believe that a single cell will mutate into absolutely every lifeform on the planet? You are so smart.

0 Points God Sucks 30 Mar 2012 General Comment

Pull your head in tosser, if I want to say there is no god, then I will bloody well say there is no god, I am adding more to the debate then your petty little paragraphs of shite you brain dead pole smoker.

0 Points Maylene 14 May 2012 General Comment

God Sucks is right! He's heard all this God stuff before, so there's no need to thrust it in his face continually. If you want to bring something new about christianity to the table then that's great. But to continuously repeat the same things over again about "God's children" and "repent or GO TO HELL" just get's on everyone's nerves. He can believe whatever he wants to, so stop shoving the same classic lines at him, and give him some space! If you have something new to say and you want to tell him for the sake of telling him only, that's okay. But if your purpose is to convert him than he totally has the right to be mad! Do you thinks it's nice to have people trying to change who YOU are? Let him be whatever he chooses to be! And don't try to force ANYONE to change.

-1 Point Anonymous 16 May 2012 General Comment

Oh shut up woman! Are you a fucking lawyer or something? Do one.

0 Points W12 18 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

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-1 Point You're ignorant 02 Jun 2012 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

Don't be so ridiculous. Clearly, you have looked it up, and all the evidence suggests and tells you the the earth is 4.5 billion years old. There you go, that is the answer. Modern man has been on the earth for 50,000 years too (look up human on wikipedia). This 'answer' you have is a laughable denial of the information you have.

0 Points Jonathan Luna 17 May 2012 General Comment

What you just said made everything alot more clear to me. Thankyou.

-1 Point God Sucks 18 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

Maybe on 'your world' it is 6000 years old, and cabbage is worshipped as a supreme deity, but on this one, Earth, it is exactly around 4.5 billion years old as you stated. Even modern Humans have walked this planet for just under 200000 years in Africa, and 50000 years ago they developed behavioral modernity including language, music and so on, then migrated across to Eurasia 40000 years ago. Even the aboriginies in my country have been here for 60000 years. 6000 years ago states formed after thousands of years as nomadic hunter/gatherers, with military and government functions.
In my opinion, christians don't even acknowledge the people from Africa, maybe they are all racist, god created man 6000 years ago supposedly, and yet these nubians have been around for thousands of years longer than that. Christian history covers the white people because we were more advanced than our coloured brothers who were more often then not put into slavery. Even they were taught this bible garbage, brainwashed by the masses, and their long history edited down into something as stupid as a 6000 year old earth.....

-1 Point God Loves 30 Apr 2012 General Comment

Ha there is no way that the people in the bible are all white more like Middle-Eastern.

1 Point proud atheist 18 Mar 2012 General Comment

Complete cop out, our world IS the planet earth. Its odd as a self confessed learned person that you do not realize this! You could say our civilization is six thousand years old but i believe if you SEEK you will FIND even that statement is way off. winning
.

0 Points Anonymous 08 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Agree

6000 years sounds great to me. Now, concerning those who disagree, why are you so angry? It is possible to have a rational discussion on any subject. Some of you find it necessary to insult, belittle, curse at, those who agree; why? My view is no less faith than yours. I have no proof, neither do you. For this you hate me? Odd, but not unexpected. You and I will someday discover which one of us is right, and for your sake I hope you are right. I live without fear, in the general sense, and if that leaves me dead and happy and still dead, what have I lost? Nothing. On the other hand... Yeah, you had better be right. Then again, maybe you should consider asking different questions. Nobody likes their world view challenged, that is why you are angry, that and the fact that deep in your gut you hate GOD and aren't you lucky He gave you the free will needed to do that? Take a hard look at the evidence, you will be surprised. God Bless!

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 General Comment

No it is not possible to have a rational discussion with any Creationist.

These are the most stupid people on the face of the Earth.

Nowhere in The Bible does it say The Earth is 6000 years old.

The Earth was not created, it formed under gravity from an acretion disc.

Humans were not created, they evolved from common ancestors like all life on Earth.

The Universe is 13.7+ billion years old.

Anyone who believes in HUMAN MANUFACTURED RELIGIONS, is a complete tard.

They are used as tools to control the masses. They have nothing to do with truth.

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Why do Atheists get angry?

Because they are tired of living on a planet where 70% of people are retarded.

0 Points Dan 14 Mar 2012 General Comment

Dear Anonymous,
You are confusing hatred with frustration. One the one side are thousands of peer reviewed scientists from the world over who say that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and on the other side is a book that was written 2,000 years ago in pieces, beginning approximately 70 years after Christ's death by many different people, saying that the Earth is 6,000 years old. In fact, the stories in the Bible had to be reconciled between different writer's perception of what they believed happened to lend any sort of consistency. Over the years since the Bible was written, people of the church have first persecuted, then accepted scientific facts, such as the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun. See Galileo's story, for example, who was persecuted by the Catholic Church for his scientific beliefs. The Catholic Church later recanted it's stand that the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun.

The age of the Earth is just one more occurrence of people of the church denying solid, scientific evidence in favor of something professed in the Bible, which was written by man, not God, 2,000 years ago. At least in this day and age people are less likely to be beheaded or burned at the stake for their scientific beliefs as they were in times past, but nevertheless we are frustrated that we still have to go through these kinds of conversations.

-1 Point proud atheist 09 Mar 2012 General Comment

There is NO evidence for god! Full stop. Have done loads of research and listened and heard countless debates. The theists always come off sounding deluded.The worst being william lane craig. Atheist believe in logic and reason there is simply no evidence for a divine presence. Maybe you like to think that your every action is observed and every thought even is scrutinized. I personally think that for people to preach from a book and believe it is the word of god is truly absurd. The bible is simply our first attempt at explaining our existance at a time when we did not know any better. Give it up, move on and dont be afraid of going to hell. Zero evidence for that either. So just be a good person live life whilst you have the chance and just forget all the religious dogma nonsence.

0 Points Anonymous 18 Apr 2012 Stance on Question: Agree

It takes stupid to know stupid.

0 Points Mark 14 Mar 2012 General Comment

The bible wasn't our first attempt to explain our existence. It wasn't even our hundredth attempt. Man had been trying to explain our existence for millenia before Jesus' time. Each succeeding theorists erased the ideas of the previous. But we do have Greek, Roman and Norse legends that predate Jesus. All have their birth of a god/human via a human vessel. The whole parthenogenisis and resurrection theories appear in many belief systems long before 2000 years ago. It is just astonishing to me that Christians are so completely convinced that their Bronze Era ancestors someone got this enormous source of life idea right when they (understandably) got everything else wrong. They were not equipped to explain and understand a single bit of science right. Not the weather, the stars, the solar system, biology, nothing. But they managed to explain how and when this all happened and who was responsible. 2000 years later, we accept that they got all that other stuff but we are certain they got the whole god/bible thing right. Now that is the power of mass brainwashing at its very best. Oh and the other religions, with competing explanations, they got it right too somehow. Amazing huh?

0 Points God Sucks 12 Mar 2012 General Comment

Absolutely right! It amazes me that in this day and age with all the scientific facts, people still believe in the word of a so called god, and the world is as young as 6000 years. We atheists actually know what is going on, and how we got to where we are, but narrow minded christians still hang on to the fantasy that they are the children of god, the great flood and other nonsense. People actually think that Muslims are the fanatics, I disagree, American Christians are the worst of the lot, 4 in 10 yanks believe that the world is 6000 years old, now that adds up to millions and millions of retarded people, all apparently bred from Noah, his sons and their wives.

0 Points Anonymous 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

How do you know? What is your authority? Oh, I see, its just your opinion!

0 Points help 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

The very person who made up the story of evolution died as a christian. unfortunately the damage is done and now so many people believe it, to side with muslims is crazy christians dont believe in blowing ourselves up. God loves you.

0 Points God Sucks 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

Actually, the Holy Quran promotes peace, it is the fanatics that take it a step further and, so you say, 'blow themselves up'. It was the christian crusades that started the whole thing, religion vs religion. Muslims are some of the nicest people in the world, but it takes rotten apples to spoil the bunch. But you are probably american, so maybe you have every right to persecute them. The cristian bible, on the other hand, reads like a slaughterhouse pulp fiction novel - death, rape, more death, slavery, it covers all the evils in the world. I don't need the love of a fake deity, I have the eternal love of my family, my children adore me, I just hope they don't grow up to be brain washed minnions of the church

-1 Point proud atheist 13 Mar 2012 General Comment

God sucks. The problem with these creationists and theists is that you cant have a logical argument with them. You can give them any evidence you like and if it does not fit in with their beleifs they simply dismiss it. Young earth creationists are the worst. They are completely brain dead, they get their information from books and sites that are written by creationists, maybe if they done some real research they would find the truth and stop talking all the nonsense we know to be laughable. If they wonder why we get annoyed talking to them then they should stop being so stupid and start speakin sense. At the end of the day they are the ignorant ones and most of the world are laughing at them and their narrow minded horse shit views. Its just a shame they teach their kids the same crap instead of the real truth. These people should be ashamed of themselves and in my opinion are no higher than cockroaches. keep spreading your word and hopefully some of them will start thinking for themselves. Peace!

0 Points God Sucks 13 Mar 2012 General Comment

Easier said then done brother, these are the types of people that spend 27 million dollars on an absolute laugh fest called the Creation Museum.....ahh only in America.

-1 Point God Sucks 08 Mar 2012 General Comment

And another thing, the Earth is a hell of a lot older than 6000 years old. You idiot Young Earth Creationists say dinosaurs and man lived together and they were herbivores, absolute bullshit. Have you seen a skull of a T-rex, do you really think that a beast with teeth like that would eat leaves? What about Raptors? Man would be extinct if these 2 lived together, all eaten. This ain't the Flintstones mother fucker!

0 Points L2P 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

man would not be extinct if they lived with dinosaurs, just like we are not extinct living with the thousands of other deadly creatures, infact we are the ones killing half the other predators in the world.

0 Points JAH 03 Apr 2012 General Comment

-1 Point proud atheist 05 Apr 2012 General Comment

0 Points God Sucks 08 Mar 2012 General Comment

This god of yours didn't give me anything, I gave myself the free will. And what evidence are you talking about tool? The bible? Ha! Biggest feed of ass ever written by man, about a god created by man, and that's the truth! You christians have been be-littling the non-believers for centuries so don't give me that crap on nobody liking their world views challenged.

0 Points JESUSFREAK 21 Mar 2012 General Comment

I feel sorry for you, i can clearly see all this world has been to you is wicked. The one thing God can give you is love. Thats all he wants nothing less nothing more. What non-christian in this world is willing to love everyone unconditionaly?? This is not a comment to argue or get in a debate but to demonstrate the love and concern God has for YOU!!! Love and concern i have for YOU too!!!

0 Points God Sucks 21 Mar 2012 General Comment

Hahaha love from your god? how many people has your god put to death? how many people has your god ordered to be put to death? how many people into slavery? Your bible says if you rape a girl you have to pay her father and then marry the girl, he obviously endorses everything evil in this world. I feel sorry for you for being so narrow minded, you don't stand a chance of using your own brain.

0 Points really? 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

where does it say this in the bible? please back it up.

0 Points God Sucks 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Need I say more dickhead?

-1 Point JESUSFREAK 21 Mar 2012 General Comment

-1 Point proud atheist 21 Mar 2012 General Comment

another brain washed deluded half wit. dont be praying for me, i dont need nothing from your hateful god thanks.

-1 Point JESUSFREAK 23 Mar 2012 General Comment

So you believe my God exist? I don't believe you have ever read my bible because nowhere in the bible does He endorse evil, it says the contrary: Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Sin is the action of doing evil so He doesnt endorse evil He condemns it. He isn't the one putting us to death either, it was self inflicted, we chose to sin through our own free will, which God gave to us freely. We will all die but He also freely gave us a choice whether to live in eternal paridise or eternal death. Also do you know God didn't even spare his own son from experiencing a death on earth and a second death in hell? My God loves you so much He sacrificed His perfect Son, for an evil sinner like me. He also sacrificed His Son for YOU and the rest of this world.

-1 Point God Sucks 25 Mar 2012 General Comment

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

Need I go on? Your god is pure evil. He quenches his thirst with blood, more so from the bodies of women and children. Do not even try and talk your way out of this mess you cock. having his son killed doesn't even half make up for all the killings he has done.

0 Points hmm 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

@god sucks, hey anyone can pick a verse and read it out, but to actually understand all the pieces you are missing out is a different story.

-1 Point God Sucks 19 Apr 2012 General Comment

I think everyone can understand what I wrote cock, it's not a cryptic message. What could I have possibly missed that makes your god appear to be saint and not a blood hungry beast. Dickhead.

0 Points God Sucks 25 Mar 2012 General Comment

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4)

0 Points God Sucks 25 Mar 2012 General Comment

So your foolish god doesnt kill hey:
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30)

Maybe you should actually read your bible before you start sprouting shit from thou mouth.

0 Points haha 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

you realise that that was pharoah own fault he was warned, he had 9 chances before that. how many do you expect to be given before you are truly punished.

0 Points God Sucks 18 Apr 2012 General Comment

Who gives a shit who's fault it is, your pitiful god still killed children

0 Points Digip 23 Jul 2012 General Comment

I just want to point out that it was god who hardened the pharaohs heart. That makes it seem to me that god lied when he said he gave us free will.

0 Points proud atheist 24 Mar 2012 General Comment

and sacrificing your son is not evil then?get a life moron.

0 Points Anonymous 29 Mar 2012 General Comment

Your faith has no meaning, thus your life has no meaning, so you sir are th one who has no life. I've go a question for you, do you absolutely know God doesn't exist?

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 General Comment

Actually, Atheist's lives have more meaning.

We aren't wasting our entire lives praying to a fairytale.

We know when we die, that is it.

We aren't hoping for some extra life after we die..

We will make the most of what we have.

Roughly 1 to 140 years.

After that, we die and rot in the ground.

There is no afterlife. You'd have to be an idiot to believe in that crap.

0 Points proud atheist 31 Mar 2012 General Comment

Yes, i do.

0 Points Tony 02 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

The Bible lots the entire geneology of Jesus Christ back to Adam. The entire lifespan of these people is roughly 3,500 years. Add another 2,000 since Christ died, and that is where the whole 5,000 year old earth comes from.

0 Points God Sucks 04 Mar 2012 General Comment

You know your math, bravo! You dumb ass christians and your theory of world population coming from one man and his bitch, a couple of thousand years of in breeding, some great flood, then a few more thousand years of in breeding, Noah's sons must have been wife swapping to get the world's population back up to speed, still not sure where blacks and asians came from. Sad thing is I may even be related to you. Evolution is the truth.

0 Points John 01 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

I find Russell Humphreys' article really interesting in the highly dishonest way he uses the terms 'evolutionary' and 'evolutionists'. Evolution is about the diversity of life and the origin of species on Earth. It is not about the origins and age of the universe, nor the origins and age of the Earth. It is not even about the origin of life on Earth. I would have thought, as a supposedly well educated 'Creationist Physicist' he would have known this.

When you read his article, every time you read 'evolutionists' imagine that what he's really written is: 'geologists, physicists, cosmologists, astronomers, biologists, chemists and palaeontologists'. These are the real range of scientists he's arguing against (and I've probably missed a few others as well!)It doesn't sound like he's in such a pathetic minority position when he lumps them all under the semi-derogatory term of 'evolutionists'.

0 Points anonymous 27 Feb 2012 Stance on Question: Neutral

According to commonly accepted scientific theory of the Big Bang:

"The universe was born with the Big Bang as an unimaginably hot, dense point. When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded **faster than the speed of light**."

Assuming that at the point of creation, inflation eclipsed the speed of light, then it seems reasonable to question whether the light from distant stars can be used as a reliable indicator of the actual age of the universe.

0 Points Anonymous 03 Dec 2014 Editorial Comment

The start of the earth is completely unknown. Saying that as a fact it was created like that would be a lie. It is on you're full opinion about that. In my opinion it was created by god. But neither of these thoughts are facts. But only opinions. Just don't express things that have no proof as fact next time.

0 Points Jon Pierson, Ireland 31 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Imagine, for a moment, that children were taught factual subjects and morality at school by qualified, non-religious teachers.
Imagine, for a moment, that it was forbidden to tell children anything at all about religion before they were 18.
In such a world, only the very few, not very bright kids would be unable to recognise that religions answer no questions anymore and they, and their gods, were only invented to explain the, then, inexplicable.

Believers believe because they have been indoctrinated to believe with threats of eternal damnation if they don't believe or don't keep paying money to their religion. This is much easier to achieve the smaller a community is.

Such indoctrination is also possible on a national scale. If you had the power to completely isolate all the people in a country, you could have those people believe that its ruler is a god and his successors are gods; that all the country's ills, including malnutrition and non-existent health care, are the fault of the people for not working hard enough and when the leader dies, it is not from any natural cause but because he has killed himself by working too hard for his people who, of course, now feel even more shamed and will work even harder for the next leader.

Impossible, of course, you couldn't get a whole country to fall for that!

But then, there's always North Korea... (If you don't know anything about North Korea, ask young earth creationist and expert on world affairs Sarah 'You can see Russia from Alaska' Palin.

As an atheist, I have come to realise that we all need to live on this world together but it would be nice for kids to be told how to think instead of what to think. If religious people believe some great hand is coming out of the sky to 'save' them, firstly, I hope, their sakes, that they have picked the absolutely correct only true religion in the world out of all the 4,000, or so, only true religions, faiths, belief systems and gods in the hundreds of civilisations on earth and, secondly, would you mind divesting all your worldly goods to we rational types so we can use them to continue to research the never ending wonder of what the universe has to offer and buy lots of really hard to understand science books? After all, you and all your churches don't need money because your gods will provide for you and you'll only ever read one book in your lives.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

I really love how you said "It would be nice for children to be told how to think instead of what to think." I'm definitely going to hold ono that!. In fact I just put it in my quote book.

0 Points Follower of Jesus Christ 10 Feb 2012 General Comment

What if you are wrong? I get it faith is hard because it is unseen...but is it? The fact that matter exists means it had a beginning. Where did the rock that was the material for the big bang come from? Why is the universe accelerating instead of declerating as it should? How do cell "know" to divide to survive? How did those first few cells that magically came to live in the primordial soup "know" to divide to reproduce then "know" how to adapt to survive? What is outside the universe...more universe?..and what is outside that? Look at dna...did all that happen by mistake? You see, while you may see faith as a fools errand, to not see God is His creation is more of a leap of faith than accepting that something beyond matter space and time must exist because we can't even contemplate what is beyond the universe or where the big bang rock came from, let along find the answer. When one moves beyond the pandantic questions and works background through the scientific questions, they all lead to God..and thank God for that!

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Wow what kills me with these people is that they say that the bible is GODS word meanwhile here in the real world I know for fact that God never took pen to paper I also know that there so called savior Jesus never took pen to paper.Only a few men took pen to paper and wrote these what is called biblical stories and none of which have any truth to it as in the earth is only 6000 years old and the earth and everything was created in 6 days meaning on day 2 the dinosaurs lived for a million years then got wiped out for the second set of dinosaurs that must have lived for another million years all in 2 to 5 day's cause on day 6 man was born and we no man never walked with dinosaurs so I see some major problems there.I theorize that man created God's to explain what he could not explain that is why there are so many gods like when man thought a god lived in the bottom of volcanoes and sacrificed humans to appease the volcano god so it wouldn't erupt.This is also how the God of thunder was created a big sound broke in the sky man said ahh a god must have done that etc.I sometimes can't believe that people still believe in a God when we can explain near everything and only time separates us from knowing it all.What I really want to know though is how can people take the Bible as truly God's word when it was Man who wrote it and then for it to become English it was yet another man that deciphered it and today we are finding out that many of the deciphered words are deciphered wrong and actually mean other things like angel actually should have been translated to watcher etc?It is not God's word it is some 2 or 3 thousand year old men's words nothing more and should be taken as Man's word not God's

0 Points Bron 04 Mar 2012 General Comment

When your boss tells you to do sonmething, you do it. How much more will someone obey when the creator of everything tells you to do something.

Galatians 1:6-12 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Joh 1:1 -5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Job 38:1 And Jehovah answered Job out of the tempest, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Now gird up your loins like a man; for I will ask of you, and you teach Me.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell if you have understanding!
Job 38:5 Who has set its measurements, for you know? Or who has stretched the line on it?
Job 38:6 On what are its bases sunk, or who cast its cornerstone,
Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it broke forth as it came from the womb?
Job 38:9 When I made the clouds its robe, and darkness its navel-band,
Job 38:10 and set My limit on it, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 and I said, You shall come to here, but no further; and here your proud waves shall stop.
Job 38:12 Have you commanded the morning from your days, and caused the dawn to know its place,

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 General Comment

You can quote The Bible all day long

It doesn't prove anything

It just proves that humans could write 10,000 years ago.

Most of the stories in The Bible have been regurgitated from previous civilisations.

Religion has nothing to do with fact.

God did not create The Earth, it formed under gravity from an acretion disc.

Humans were not created, we evolved from a common ancestor like all life on Earth.

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The stupidity of people who believe The Bible to be literal, is of epic proportions.

People who believe The Bible to be literal, are the most stupid people on the planet.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

This question I’m about to ask isn’t simply some setup to prove you wrong, but rather I would just like you to think about it a little more.

Where did the gravity from an accretion disc come from?
How did our common ancestors get here?

Whether or not God exists it had to have come from something.

I don’t expect you’re opinion to change, but I hope that I’m leaving you with something to think about. I hope that before you criticize OR agree with someone try and think about what arguments or subject materials you might theoretically be missing out on.

I know that it’s an age-old question string, but that’s because people think it’s something that’s actually worth asking. Rhetorically, have you ever even thought about the answer to these questions?

0 Points katesisco 16 Mar 2012 General Comment

I really like Job. But there is another way to read this: Who shut up the sea when it broke forth makes sense of history if you see us as a more advanced human who dealt with a catastrophe of a flooded earth. My limit on it, set bars and doors reads like a change from open to close. Here and no further. Here your proud waves stop. Now how do you read this in terms of Earth history? We have a 80% sea-covered world so did this mean that the water was all over? Could this mean that Earth was a water world and that the water even flowed through the sky? Needing doors and bars to keep it on Earth and not in the sky?
Science would allow that water in the sky is not possible now but if anti gravity operated on Earth at some time in the past, then in all possibility rivers of water flowed through the sky.
One thing is for sure, Job is being reminded he doesn't know as much as the speaker about geometry.
What would keep the water behind bars and doors? A gravity well known as planet Earth.

0 Points proud atheist 17 Mar 2012 General Comment

blah blah and oh blah!

0 Points proud atheist 07 Mar 2012 General Comment

Bron. You need help. keep spouting that rubbish it is so rediculous, why is it that u feel the need to share that crap. u must live ur life in fear. there is no god face facts and get a life.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

What is your problem? This is an open forum. We’re allowed to share whatever we want too. //Your// opinion is that what he’s saying is crap. It’s not //his// opinion. Maybe he IS dumb. So what? doesn’t mean he can’t speak his mind. Maybe he does need to “get a life” Maybe he does need to “get his facts straight.” Maybe he //is// stupid for believing that there’s a God. But, So. What. If you have the right to diss on everyone like you’ve //been// doing, then we’ve got the right to say whatever we want to say too. Even if you “don’t give a crap.”

You can call everyone a “moron” all you want to, but when you say they shouldn’t be sharing what they wanna share, I think it’s time for you to re-read everything you’ve said, and understand that plenty of the people here don’t like listening to you either. And yet plenty of people //do// want to hear you. And you still have the right to talk anyway, because there are people who agree with you too. So lay off of us. You might not want to hear, but others of us don’t mind, and we //want// to know what’s on her mind!

0 Points God Sucks 06 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

All of that bible shit you quoted is an absolute feed of ass, anyone who actually thinks that really happened has had a frontal lobotomy. I certainly don't obey words invented by man representing a god invented also invented by man. You should be ashamed of yourself lying to everyone with that misleading dribble.

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 Stance on Question: Agree

True, how dumb are they, honestly

SAVE ME JEEBUS

0 Points DR 30 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Who created God? How long has he/she/it been in existence? If God is all powerful, all knowing and all good then
i) How can the Devil exist, be evil and act against God?
ii) How could he create something in man that was imperfect without meaning to?
iii) If he meant to create something imperfect in man and knows all before it happens, then why does he get angry at mans wrong doing?
iv) Why does he punish those who do not pander to his ego?

If the bible is truly accurate and the word of God then does that mean God supported slavery and through abolition we are acting against him (just one of many abhorrent practices mentioned favourably in the bible)? Why does the bible contradict itself so many times, and cause so much debate amongst religious followers? If these are just inaccuracies created by man copying Gods word then does this mean the bible really does have mistakes? If the bible has mistakes then how do we know which parts are correct and which are false? If the answer is “we don’t”, then why should we believe this 6000 year old statement?

If there were only 2 people (Adam and Eve) created then as already mentioned in arguments below we should all be highly inbred. Is incest a sin and if so then why were their children allowed to continue as they were doing? Why would he create a flood to remove sin, that forces the survivors (both human and animal) into incest once again. Where did all the different traits of the different people on Earth arise? If they were perfect when they were created then what is the origin of all these genetic diseases? Did they come from point mutations (and all in 4000 years)? If so then does this huge genetic change (in such a short period of time) to beneficial features (i.e. adaptations) for each races native environment not support a form of evolution on some level?

As you can see I have many questions about apparent gaps and inaccuracies in theological arguments. I agree that science does not have the answers to all questions. Science does however admit to this and acts to provide theories based on the evidence at hand. The only fundamental in science is that any theories value is based on the evidence behind it. This is typified by critical thinking, reproducibility and peer review. This allows no room for tradition or dogmatic thinking.

I have nothing against the idea of a higher power. It does appear obvious to me that any attempts to organise religion are a creation of man. If there is a God in the true sense, who is all good, all knowing and all powerful, then by common sense he must be devoid of human failings. As such there would be no room for ego, anger, disappointment or any other human weakness. There would be no requirement for churches, synagogues or mosques as he would already know if we are good in our hearts/follow his plan/believe in him, without the need to declare or prove it. If we were created to question the world around us then why would it be evil to do so and why would we be punished for doing so if we honestly believed it was for the greater good?

0 Points JESUSFREAK 23 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Agree

No one created God (as hard as it is to Believe). Whatever had a beggining had a cause (The Law of Causality) and God has no beggining so he needs no cause.
i. The first thing to adress is that God gave all of us free will, angel and human alike. The Devil was once an angel named Lucifer, who was the highest of all angels. He used his own free will choosing to act against God, leading a rebellion against God. The act of rebeling against God is evil itself. But getting back to what i was saying Lucifer became satin when he was cast down from heaven with the angels that rebelled. Thats how he exists.
ii. God didnt create man imperfect he made us perfect, but he gave us free will like he also has. Adam and Eve used their free will to decide wether to eat from the tree of the knoledge of good and evil. It was by their choice that they became sinful, also decieved by a lie given to them by satin.
iii. No one ever said He created man to do wrong, and He is actually sadened when man sins. He created us because he was lonely and he wanted someone to love, and love him. I believe he wants people to love him out of their own free will, thats wy we have free will. If he created things who never had free will in the first place, they would be loving him because they are forced to not because they realy want to. They would be mindless robots if they were forced to love and worship him.
iv. For one he is a just God who only punnishes people who truley deserve it. He is perfect and only something perfect deserves glory and worship. We are imperfect so we dont deserve worship. We dont achknowledge him at all when all we care about is ourselves, this is sin which deserves to be punnished. Sin is evil and no matter what dont you aggree evil should be punnished? But He gave us the choice to escape punnishment by sending his only son Jesus Christ to die for us in the place of us, on earth and also suffering in hell.

God never supports slavery. Show me where the bible endorses abhorrent practices, and where it contradicts itself. The bible is truth.

That is a good question, and i will be willing to find an answer to that.

Man woulnt create god because it would put limits on man. Man wants to do whatever pleases him. So it wouldnt make any sense. God didnt make the mistake of giving us free will. We made the choice to believe the devil. We had know knowledge of good and evil so that would render us innocent. Yes God told us not to, but satin told us to eat the fruit and gave them a reason to eat, they of course believed because they didnt know better and had free will. We are inside of time he is outside of time. He is all knowing we are not. He knows the future because he is outside of time, without time there is no future. The future is yet to play out and we dont know if we will one day truely know Christ or not. Our future through our finite minds is unknown that why it can still change for us. We werent created to question we were created to love not hate but our self purposes are corrupted by sin and the lies of sin.

0 Points God Sucks 27 Mar 2012 General Comment

Quote: "I believe he wants people to love him out of their own free will, thats wy we have free will. If he created things who never had free will in the first place, they would be loving him because they are forced to not because they realy want to. They would be mindless robots if they were forced to love and worship him."

"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

Yeah, it really sounds like we have free will in this one, worship god or die, he is forcing us to worship him just like a dictator. I will never bow to a dictator. Your god is more evil than Hitler.

0 Points God Sucks 27 Mar 2012 General Comment

Quote: "God never supports slavery. Show me where the bible endorses abhorrent practices, and where it contradicts itself. The bible is truth."

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery? Apparently your god does, so quit poisoning us with your bullshit story about an all loving god.

0 Points proud atheist 25 Mar 2012 General Comment

You are a mindless fool. You say we are not forced to worship god but if you beleive in that nonsense you are deemed a sinner if you beleive in any god but your god. Therefore you are forced to worship him, not much free will in that is there? Also are you not aware of all the other gods that different faiths have? Why are you so sure the one you believe in is the right one, instead of the many hundreds of others. The only true answer is, you dont. If you would have been born in the middle east you would be worshipping allah and not your god so i guess that would be bad for you. The sooner you and you gullible kind realize that the stories you believe are just childish fantasy the better the world would be. The bible is so full of contradiction it is laughable for you to suggest otherwise. Do you really think the world is flat. You are an atheist in that you do not believe that any of the other gods are real, only your one. pretty arrogant really. There is No evidence any god exists so get real because you sound rediculous. There is no logic to your argument.

0 Points JESUSFREAK 29 Mar 2012 General Comment

I have a question for you, what is truth? Define it.

0 Points proud atheist 09 Apr 2012 General Comment

Definition of truth: That which is true. That which is in accordance to fact and reality. Look it up u muppet. Notice it does not mention fantasy stories. You would not recognise truth if it jumped up and shit on you. The bible was written by men with no help from anything else why cant you get your dumbass head around that TRUTHFUL concept.

0 Points JESUSFREAK 29 Mar 2012 General Comment

It is also impossible for me to be atheist and at the same time Christian, it's a total contradiction, sorry. By the way you have no evidence God doesn't exist.

0 Points proud atheist 09 Apr 2012 General Comment

Do you have any proof that your god does exist? Or that any of the other thousands of gods dont exist? No course you dont. The burden of proof lies with you. You are the one making absurd unsubstantiated claims. Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence and so far there is bugger all, zero, nahdah NO evidence for god. Think for yourself instead of believeing what is fed to u by dellusionl preachers or stuff thats written in irrelevant texts like the bible. If you follow the evidence you will see that it all points to there being no bearded old guy waiting in judgement so chill, go and live life a bit cos you get one shot at it dont waste it. And thats the GOSPEL TRUTH. Peace.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

No. We don’t have any evidence that God exists. But did you ever once hear JESUSFREAK say that “anyone who believes God isn’t real is an idiot?” No, you didn’t. As far as I can tell, he seem to be very open minded to everyone. And it seems that he’s just sharing what he //chose// to believe rather than claiming that any one who believes other wise is an idiot.

In short, I don’t think he’s trying to //prove// anything, only share his opinion.

0 Points JESUSFREAK 29 Mar 2012 General Comment

We are sinners whether we believe in God or not. I don't have to worship
Him and I have no conviction to worship Him, I do it because I want to. I also challenge you, what God do you know of that loved us so much, that actually came here to earth and died for us?

0 Points proud atheist 09 Apr 2012 General Comment

None. Because there are none. God your thick.

0 Points God Sucks 30 Mar 2012 General Comment

There are no gods, none at all in any religion. What evidence do you have that your god exists? Have you seen him? Shared a beer with him? No, it is from word only, and that word was written by man, hence your god was created by man.

0 Points JESUSFREAK 30 Mar 2012 General Comment

You never answered my question, what is truth? ???You never gave me any evidence that God doesn't exist.

0 Points God Sucks 02 Apr 2012 General Comment

I think I did you dickwad, the bible was written by man, not god. This god was invented by man purely because we didn't have the scientific brain to explain how we got here. God doesn't exist, how on earth did the population of earth rise from 2 people, and how the hell did blacks and asians be bred from white people? You tell me what makes your god real? The truth is you can't, you may say "oh the evidence is all around us" and that is bullshit. Scientists give the answer to everything except the existence of god. Makes it hard to find something that never existed in the first place. Religion is a medieval practice and doesn't belong in this day and age.

0 Points chuntley 06 Jun 2012 General Comment

Prove to me that man created God, please. I agree that religion is man-made; but religion has nothing to do with God.

0 Points Jake 30 Apr 2012 General Comment

Evolution proves god's not real. that is all.

0 Points Maylene 14 May 2012 General Comment

That doesn't prove anything. What if God invented evolution?

0 Points bible hater 21 May 2012 General Comment

Maylene you are so fucking dumb. Where the fuck does it say in your bible anything about evolution. It only became a theory a couple of hundred years ago. Its idiots like you who will change your religion when we find life on other planets. You will just attribute it to your god. Fucking lazy arrogant bible bashers get with reality.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

Think of this: In my opinion the Bible is consisted of things that God wanted people to know. Whatever //specifically// God wanted us to know though, is unimportant to what I’m trying to say. But what I will say is that I don’t see that we //need// to know how the earth was created in order to go about our lives. So why //should// God tell us how he created the earth? I don’t know whether evolution exists or not (although if it does, I think God //used// it to create), but just because it isn’t mentioned in the Bible it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I simply think it means that God found it irrelevant to the rest of the Bible and saw that it wasn’t a necessity for us to know the details of the creation

In case I’m unclear, I’ll say everything again in short: God may have wanted us to know //that// he created earth, but I don’t think the saw it necessary for us to know //how// he created it. So why put it in if the Bible if it’s irrelevant to what he’s trying to tell us?

As for me, I’m a Christian no matter what. I won’t go changing my //religion// if new scientific theories come up, merely I might just change my beliefs about the //details// of creation—which is a topic that’s on a different matter than my religion. I hope I make sense.

0 Points Raye girl 15 Feb 2012 General Comment

Noone created God he is omnipresent and there were laws in the bible for how you were to treat slaves. So that slaves would not be miss treated and owners held accoutable,by God himslef,and at the time of Adam and Eve the blood lines where pure so they did not have to worry about inbreeding. If you are intrested about why God flooded the world and started over again you might be intersted in the fact that he did save one man and his sons WIVES, BUT don't t take my word for it go and read Genesis 1-9. It will explain everything in detail.

0 Points Man Created God 16 Feb 2012 General Comment

Right, and the blood of noah and his family was pure as well I guess you will say next, the bible is rife with incest, adam and eve and their children, ultimately the sons would have to have sex with mama eve and so on, then god wipes them out with this so called great flood and then the incest starts all over again, you cant tell me that noah's blood was pure since he himself was a product of incest. But it may explain why their are so many retards in the world, and the appearance of blacks and asians, maybe they are a biproduct of brothers and sisters and mothers all having sexual relations. I pity you and your stance on religion, and how it is the be-all-to-end-all. The earth is billions of years old, and who knows, maybe life here was introduced from another planet contained in an asteroid or meteorite, but you do know that if life is found on another planet then your religion will be null and void, I do believe that this Genesis doesn't mention anything about 'god' creating life on other heavenly bodies.

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

god created man in his image. he placed him in the garden of eden and when man grew lonely he created women. now im not saying the garden is a true place it could very well mean a fertile land. and i think adam and eve are just examples of the human race. and the bible is written by man. so i has flaws. god isnt imperfect but he is loving and just. as for wrongs in the world, humans have free will. god can not make them do what he wants. research before you accuse.

0 Points Raye girl 15 Feb 2012 Stance on Question: General Comment

If God is not perfect he can't be God!Boss man, the Bible is God's Word it is written down through the hand of man.

0 Points Who IsThisGodPersonAnyway 17 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

Seriously dude, what evidence is there that man looks like god? Man created god because we didn't know any better. The same reason the ancient Greeks created their gods, and the romans, and so on. All that religion has given us is war and plenty of it. The bible is just a very old bedtime story, apparently written originally in five scrolls by Moses 3500 years ago. Now if the world is about 6000 years old, how on earth did he know about anything previous to his existance, how did he come up with creation and Adam and Eve and the incestial creation of the human race. The man was mad, a story teller like Homer, with a vivid imagination, claiming to have spoken to god (and yet Joan of Arc did the same thing and was burned on the stake as a heretic). Yes people should believe in what they want to believe, they should believe in themselves and their families and not some made-up jewish deity. If their was no religion, we would be so technologically advanced because the church wouldn't be holding us back as they did in the dark ages. Religion was the easiest answer man could make up to explain their being.

0 Points Rayegirl 15 Feb 2012 General Comment

I'am not a Dude, and Sereiously do you really believe what the science books said about Darwin's Theory, itsnever been proven, oh and ehy do they not want it out that if any thing but, jelly like stuff is in a cell that the theory is disproven, because hat's Darwin's great thery, and as for there Greek God's they also had a shrine to the God Nobodody Knows. You Do not much about the bible I'm araid it started with the dead sea scrolls yes,but it grew to 66 books there is much you could learn about God and yourself I think if you read the bible. Its as true today as it was 2,000, years ago. My family and I frankly would be DEAD IF NOT for that jewish deity I would have die 25 years ago from viral insphlitis, I was in a coma for 7 weeks I was 6.

1 Point proud atheist 07 Mar 2012 General Comment

Rayegirl. Its unfortunate that u were in a coma but u must realize that u were either saved by doctors or you time was just not up yet. To say u would not be here if it was not for god is foolish. Besides gkd was busy that day giving aids to babies in africa and killing thousands in an earth quake. wake up! Peace!

0 Points God Sucks 04 Mar 2012 General Comment

No you're not a dude, you're an idiot. If you'd read the blog properly you'd see that he was answering Toto boss mans' comment. By the way, it appears that you must have been home schooled using no maths books, english books or anything other than that shit bible, learn how to spell dumb ass.

0 Points Who IsThisGodPersonAnyway 16 Feb 2012 General Comment

Why would I want to read the bible? It is the biggest work of fiction ever written. What makes your religion different from any other ever created. They are all fairy tales. Yes what happened to you in your childhood is very unfortunate and I am glad that you recovered, but what on earth makes you think that this 'god' had anything to do with your recovery? I have heard of people that depend too much on their faith and snub their noses at science, and when they get very ill they turn to prayer as if that will save them, and it doesn't. I would rather read about fictional greek or norse gods then yours.

0 Points Maylene 21 Feb 2013 General Comment

The difference between Christianity and every other religion is that all the other religions say that if you do good then you can earn your way to heaven. Christianity is the only religion in which we acknowledge that, no matter what, we deserve to die and go to Hell, and that entrance to Heaven is a gift that’s given rather than something that you can //earn// entry into. Just thought I’d say it.

And by the way, yes simply leaving everything in God's hands won't do mcuh. But the idea is that both God has control over what happens AND that yuo still have to get up and do things yourslef. It's merely that God has to work //through// your actions.

0 Points proud atheist 06 Mar 2012 General Comment

It is sad that people need to have religion in their lives. It is so obviously nonsense, as our knowledge grows they change their views accordingly. Most of you religious lot were taught it from a young age,brain washing springs to mind. If i told my child from birth he was a turnip he would think he was a turnip. Until he got older and hopefully used his brain to think for himself as you all should. Jesus clearly had what today we know to be a mental health disorder e.g Bi-polar believing he was the son of god. There is no need for religion or a god in this day and age. Christopher hitchens said it best, you should all be ashamed of yourself! If you go round teaching your kids that the earth is 6000 yrs old you are deluding them as you yourself have been deluded. Also god did not save you love doctors did.God was busy that day giving aids to babies in africa. Peace!

0 Points Me 20 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

To understand the creator, requires innocence, love, and an appreciation for creation.

Science in all its "greatness" cannot even create a single speck of dust from nothing. People simple reuse what is and all there ever was, which was created by the creator.

Without a creation, you would have nothing to evolve, and hence no evolution to take place.

I will not write at length; because I would not waste my time trying to get through to an atheist.

Usually an atheist is a person or thing, that is so full of sin, and has almost no regard or respect for creation. This type of person, has the awareness of a mouse. They embrace every modern thing that stupid people have done to the earth, which mostly in effect is destroying the very ecology of the planet. They would rather watch a digital image of tree than to see, touch, and smell the real thing. They probably like pornography and think nothing of stimulating themselves.

The good news is that we only need to tolerate them in this life; because they will not make it into God's Kingdom.

0 Points God Sucks 21 Mar 2012 General Comment

You are such a tool! There is nothing wrong with porn, better that than being a boy loving christian like you. Atheists are the dominate species on this planet because we use more than a sixth of our brains, you boy-lovers are so fucking narrow minded and inbred. Did you not use a computer to post this dribble? You have embraced technology like the rest of us sinful beings, except you were looking for pictures of dick before stumbling across this website and poison us with that bullshit spew about us not going to the kingdom of god. Let me tell you, dumb arse, there is no kingdom, we are but shadows and dust, and when we die that is what we will become. No afterlife in god's embrace, just darkness. So for fuck's sake, pull your head out and stop being a absolute dickwad.

0 Points proud atheist 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

me. you are a stereo typical fool. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean you have the right to say what that person thinks and feels. As an atheist myself i can tell you that i hate this digital age we are in. There is nothing better than nature but that does not mean that it has been created. we have evolved us and everything on earth. Just go check the morals of the bible before you accuse others of having none. Rape murder slavery etc? I dont need a book full of hate and persicution to tell me what my morals should be. And because i do not believe in your hateful god an do not fear any reprisals i can call you andyour kind sad brain dead half wits who believe in nothing more than a fairy tale you childish idiot. Go and ggrow up. Your shit head god can strike me down if i am wrong. Now go play with yourself u penis.

0 Points God Sucks 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

0 Points proud atheist 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

0 Points Bee 30 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Neutral

Our preacher made the excellent point that the debate about how old the Earth is, whether it was done in 6 days, 6 ages, etc, and indeed whether there was actually a talking snake, diverts focus from the important points of Genesis - that everything was created by God, that He made us in His image, and that sin came into the world and we (humans) chose sin over God and so need redeeming.

0 Points Lilly 28 Feb 2012 General Comment

That is just plain stupid! We are the creators. I do understand why men are so intimidated by woman they had to keep us down. We are the eternal beings- that is why we have made up heaven, we don't even believe we die. Energy never dies- it just changes form and when we proove this your hateful believes will go up in smoke!

0 Points MaxxSteelTheGODeGOD 14 Feb 2012 General Comment

1 ) if MAN were the evolved " APE " ( he ISN'T ), THERE WOULDN'T STILL BE APES!
2 ) if the earth and universe is only 6,000 years old, why is HINDUISM @ least 25,000 years old ? Where were those indians LIVING and practicing their religion ???
Religions are belief systems based on MYTHOLOGIES ( fables with moral lessons )

0 Points proud atheist 09 Mar 2012 General Comment

What side of the fence are u on then, cock. You are just an advanced ape. Although admittedly not very advanced in your case.

0 Points Bob 29 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Neutral

Lets take the Noah story,

1. It is estimated that there are around 5 million species of animal on earth today so it is fair to assume there would have been a similar amount back then. 2 of every animal means he had to build a boat large enough to carry circa 10 million animals.

2. Not all animals exist in the same country or even the same continent but he somehow managed to single handedly accumulate every species. I would guess in our day and age with all our technology it would take a lifetime to do this. 600 years would probably do it though LOL

3. I beleive that they were aboard the boat for just over a year in total so there would need to be enough food to feed 10 million animals, taking account of all of their dietary requirements for a whole year. I can't even imagine how big this boat would need to be to store all of this food and to keep it fresh.

4. Animal storage and exersize would have to be carefully considered. You couldn't keep the lions with the zebras and you'd better make sure those 2 ants and 2 fleas don't escape or you'll never find them.

And finally if there was ever a reason to disbelieve the exsistence of God it has to be that some old fool on a boat lived to be 950 years old!

0 Points proud atheist 09 Mar 2012 General Comment

Yeah and what about the fucking fish they love a good old flood.

0 Points Anonymous 22 Mar 2012 General Comment

That's why dead fish have been found on Mount Everest smart one haha

0 Points proud atheist 28 Mar 2012 General Comment

I think you will find that everest was once an ocean floor. Mountains are the result of the earths tectonics plates smashing into each other, which is where your fish would come from, smart one. Or maybe a fucking climber left it there. Both are more likely and logical than some bullshit flood that never happened oh smart one. Next.

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

its all metaphore. maybe the flood just means a pluage. and animals survived the brunt of it. maybe it meens his family lived to be 950, not just him

0 Points maa 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

The Bible says two of every KIND...not of every animal. That means two KINDS of birds. Just two kinds. Cross breeding gives us new species. People just don't think.

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 General Comment

What separates species from each other is the inability to successfully interbreed. "Cross-breeding" is only possible if the two mates with very different attributes are still of the same species like Chihuahuas and Great Danes (in which case it probably needs to be male Chihuahua and female Great Dane). This is, of course just scratching the surface of the fact of evolution. The process requires many generations over many years and geographical separation for species to diverge from each other.

0 Points Anonymous 27 Jan 2012 General Comment

What is a 'kind'?

0 Points Man Created God 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

Like you said, cross breeding gives us new species, which is exactly how man evolved from the apes, not created by some mystical man-like deity. Even you couldn't deny that as you have said so yourself.

0 Points Rayegirl 15 Feb 2012 General Comment

If man evoled from ape why are there apes still around?

0 Points Everybody loves Ray 19 Feb 2012 General Comment

Because only certain breeds had the necessary gene that aloud them to evolve into humans while the other didn't

0 Points God Sucks 16 Feb 2012 General Comment

Maybe I should call you an idiot before someone beats me to it. Lets put that question another way, if Adam and Eve (both white) start populating the earth using incestual loving, and gradually asians and blacks are born as well, then why is there still white people? Humans were a sub-variant of primate, same as there are variants of every other animal on this planet, eventually a new species is created through cross breeding etc, but the animals that created this new breed just doesn't suddenly disappear. Stop being stupid and use your brain, throw away that shit bible and start believing in yourself and not some dumb ass god.

0 Points Anonymous 23 Jan 2012 General Comment

cross breeding two birds still gives us a bird not a pig ' nor does cross breeding two apes give us a human wake up fool.

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 General Comment

What you fail to understand is that humans are apes. Evolution is not a cross breeding theory. It is a theory that indicates that adaptions to environment, genetic mutations and mate preference lead to changes in species over long periods of time. These changes lead to diversity of species that become geographically separated from each other, like humans and chimps.

0 Points Anonymous 27 Jan 2012 General Comment

So you can breed with any two birds, any two pigs?

I think you'll find the answer is no.

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 General Comment

If this is what you think any of the evidence for evolution indicates, you are ignorant of the theory. After species have diverged and are no longer biologically capable of successfully mating, they are no longer considered to be the same species.

0 Points Man Created God 23 Jan 2012 General Comment

it's called evolution dick-bag. And since when did I say that breeding to species of bird produce a totally different animal. Fuck you and your god.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Yeah exactly man created the gods to explain the things he could not explain simple.Besides the conundrum you have been discussing with the animals there were some archeologist who were trying to prove or disprove the earth flooding and they dug down in the earth to the year the flood should of happen and what they found disproves the story all together the world at least not all of ever flooded ever it was also said that the dimensions of the ark that are given in the bible that size of boat made with wood would have just sank to the bottom could not have happened.Now the explanation they give is if Moses was real and he did make some boats then he must have been living on a small island somewhere and he must have made a few raft type boats and then gathered 2 of each animal that where on this small island and then the story got to the one that is told in the bible just another example of how the stories in the bible are likely based on small truth's but the majority is just plain exaggerations or wrong.

0 Points Nashhinton 17 Nov 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

The earth is definitely not 6,000 years old. Religions are just superstitions and delusions. All creation myths found in all religions and mythologies have been disproven with the abundance of scientific knowledge. Many dating techniques used to determine the age of the earth have all showed a substantial and large age for the earth.

0 Points Rayegirl 15 Feb 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

You, realize that carbon dating is way off right? I Saw where on a documentry they tried to hied their supriize when a tree that had been burned by a fire and a cow skull that had died at the same time were way off. the tree said 600 millon years old, 10 million years old. when they had only died one year ago.

0 Points Double Deuce 19 Feb 2012 General Comment

Rayegirl, please post a link to the nonsense you just spewed about the tree and the cow.....you do not help your case when you make things up out of whole cloth, you just seem desperate to make your case. Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing, and I suspect people that agree with you wish you weren't on their side.

0 Points Man Created God 19 Feb 2012 General Comment

I suspect Rayegirl has the IQ of a typical christian, just higher than that of a wafer biscuit.

0 Points Erik 16 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

What if God created an old earth? It's assumed (but not known) that Adam and Eve were created as adults, not babies. So why could the earth not be created as an aged earth instead of a new earth? Also, humans created science, so it's only natural for us to want to believe in our own creation. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it definately has the chance to be wrong.

0 Points Tim 26 May 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

Adam and Eve did not exist.

Please refrain from embarrassing yourself any more.

Humans evolved from common ancestors like all life on Earth.

Life started when the components required crashed on to The Earth during the Heavy Bombardment

....Billions of years ago.

0 Points chuntley 06 Jun 2012 General Comment

Please prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

0 Points Kelli 08 Dec 2011 General Comment

Well there not just supersitions. They (scientist) say that dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago but when we find their fossils there still calcium in it. so how do you suppose that dinosaurs are 65 million years old with calcium when calcium still exist in bone only for a couple thousand years so obiously the earth can NOT be Millions of years old.

0 Points Anonymous 05 Dec 2011 General Comment

I just want to point out that science never contradicts Christianity. I am a Christian who believes that the first HUMANS were created 6,000 years ago, but Earth is probably as old as science claims through using all their tests. Don't put your faith in science. It can only go so far and many times, scientific theories have been proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, science is wonderful, but God created science as well, so naturally nothing we might discover with scientific knowledge can ever DISPROVE the Bible, or the existence of God.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

So the earth is flat and we are all inbred cool I believe the bible has been wrong more then science. I will take science over the word of a 2 to 6 thousand year old man

0 Points Anonymous 27 Jan 2012 General Comment

Except it has, countless times.

Day,night & light before the sun, sacrifice to cure disease - need I go on?

0 Points Joseph 24 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

Well said.

I am a Christian as well, and believe the same. I believe there is a gap in time between Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2. Check out http://www.kjvbible.org.

Science will never be able to disprove God. Quite the opposite. The more science advances, the more Intelligent Design is evident in every direction we look. You need to eliminate logic in order to eliminate The Creator.

Do not take your decision to deny the Creator lightly, for it is written:

Romans 1:18-20

"18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

Understand that the above speaks directly to those who would deny God. You are without excuse, as the evidence for Him is everywhere you look!

One day every tongue will confess, and one day every knee will bow.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

This is how Christian's bend the bible to make science fit into it The truth is the Bible teaches that the world was created in 6 24 hour days. Here's a bible lesson that even states it.http://www.free-bible-study-lessons.com/aliens.html
I figure this 6 days must have been some time here on earth cause 1 day must equal 100 million or perhaps 1 billion days which isn't possible in a 24 hour day right common sense here

0 Points Lilly 28 Feb 2012 General Comment

That is crap- scientists will disprove God and you can't prove any of those ridiculous fairy tales. We are not one life beings the DNA shows it and there are more and more of us coming back with past life memories- seriously a male deity molding the planet like a little piece of clay. How do you delude yourself with such foolishness. Is that why Christians breed like rabbits? Your not very evolved or intelligent. You can get a two year old to believe anything especially if you scare them with lies.

0 Points Everybody loves Ray 19 Feb 2012 General Comment

Wouldn't that make god a dictator...and i wouldn't bow, i have a bad knee

0 Points Joseph 24 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

To the above comment, I meant Disagree. The Earth is ancient. The fossil record is a simple testament to this.

Humans beings are very new, between 5000 and 7000 years old or so. We were newly made, in God's image. We are CONCIOUS beings.

Jesus Christ is still the only way for us to be saved from our fallen and sinful state.

We are saved by grace through FAITH, not of deeds, lest anyone should brag.

God makes SENSE. Mindless chance does not.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

God was created by man to explain the things he could not explain c'mon you can't believe that Mans word is really gods word can you? The above statement makes sense because it explains why there are over 4000 different religions and gods

0 Points Screw God 31 Jan 2012 General Comment

You are an absolute wanker, there is no 'god', he is about as mythical as the gods of olympus

0 Points Anonymous 27 Jan 2012 General Comment

I pity you & your fear of life.

1 Point Alan 30 Sep 2011 Stance on Question: Neutral

I can only call something a fact if someone (including myself) shows evidential proof.
In the same vein I cannot call something false unless the same can be done.
Therefore I must disagree that the earth is only 6000 years old.
Nor do I agree that God created 'everything' on the earth.
That would seem to be an awful lot of micro management.
Surely such an entity would only need to provide the building blocks.
Then let evolution take its course.

That said, I have yet to see any evidence proving that God does not exist.

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

How do you prove that something that you cannot detect with the human senses or any technological means, does not exist? If something is undetectable by any known process, does that not count as evidence?

0 Points Common Sense 17 Nov 2011 General Comment

Here's Something to think about..

If man was a result of evolution from tadpoles, monkeys, apes, whatever...why stop the process at man??

Why not continue to a robot, alien, giant, a God??

You stop the evolution process at man?? The most disastrous thing upon this earth?

0 Points proud atheist 07 Mar 2012 General Comment

To Common sense, you clearly lack commom sense. we have not stopped at man. We will continue to evole until the sun slowly creeps towards us and fries us all. Dont be so short sighted if you were around in say five hundred thousand years you would probably see very different looking humans or who knows maybe there will be a new dominant species evolved from modern man that will wipe us out as we did to the neanderthals. Peace!

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Evolution is still happening it hasn't stopped with man. I guess you say that cause you can't see it well we didn't evolve overnight it took millions of years and man may not see our evolution progress for another million years.

0 Points biebs 24 Jan 2012 General Comment

...and my thought was that if man evolved from apes - why are there still apes?

0 Points God Sucks 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

You are a dumb-ass. Let me ask you a question, if humans started as two white people, then keep breeding and eventually asians and blacks are born, why are there still white people? I'll tell you why, because the bible is a white supremist book that doen't acknowledge the existance of blacks and asians, why would it since blacks themselves have been around for 200000 years, god forbid they have been around longer than white people. Here's another question, did your parents think it was mandatory to give you a frontal lobotomy after you were born?

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

The type of ape that we evolved from are no longer here the apes of today are another species of ape all together that's why duh

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

OK. I'm putting my urge to call you stupid aside. Evolution does not have a peak, apex, species goal, conscious agenda, etc. Evolution occurs when species adapt to environments over long periods of time. At some point, an ape species became geographically separated (probably due to some social construct) and had to adapt to different environments in order to survive. Over many years and generations, this ape species adapted, mutated, and selected mates apart from each other. One group evolved into chimps, the other group evolved into humans. Of, course, it wasn't quite as simple as that, but, that is the essence of it. If other great ape species were subjected to the exact same environmental influences as the one that became human, they wouldn't necessarily have become human, but they would be very different than they are today, probably more human-like than they are now.

The mind set that asks the "why are there still apes?" question, seems to assume that there is a greater intellect guiding everything and that humans are the ultimate species. This also indicates that you have done no research on biological evolution and have chosen, instead, to listen to those who deny the reality of evolution because it destroys your world view that your god created us in our present form as the ultimate life form in the universe.

As a member of society, I urge you to accept and appreciate reality. It's far more interesting than fairy-tales. If you choose to continue to adhere to your silly world view, please don't procreate or vote.

0 Points Anonymous 27 Jan 2012 General Comment

We have a winner! It was a matter of time until one of you dingbats came out with that classic.

0 Points Anonymous 05 Dec 2011 General Comment

I believe God created evolution and science. Just because every living thing may have evolved using 'natural' processes, since God created those same processes we can still give God all the credit for creating EVERYTHING. Also, if God did use evolution to create every living thing, I believe he still brought an end to the evolution by breathing life into the first humans and setting them apart. I'm not saying I believe everything evolved from a single amoeba (which would take as much faith to believe as Christianity), but I do believe we should not limit God. He could have created the world using whatever method He chose.

0 Points Man Created God 26 Feb 2012 General Comment

If god created everything then he created Hell, and Evil, these two things are everything he stands for. He didn't create science, man created science, man created god. Eventually this christianity thing will be read about in books of myths along with norse, greek and roman gods.

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

The single amoeba thing aside, it requires no faith to understand that complex life evolved from much simpler forms of life. Having no evidence for your claims requires faith. The abundance of evidence that the further back you go in biological history, the less complex the life forms were, indicates that the first life on earth was likely single celled plant life.

0 Points SATAN 04 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

AHAHAHA! a robot? a robot is a HUMAN invention, using metals and electrons, stores of energy to produce useful movement... we're organic organisms... you literally COULD NOT GET FURTHER AWAY from organic as robots. do you even know what evolution is? at what point does DNA mutate to change everything into metal, and wat of all those biological processes? those fragile chemical reactions? are they just to turn to metal and be replaced by hydraulic hoses? that's ludicrous.

and an alien? an alien is a life form not from earth. if you're suggesting that we could somehow evolve, ON EARTH, into something NOT FROM EARTH.. well... you should see the obvious flaw in that.

a giant? what would be the evolutionary benefit of being a giant anyway? and besides, you could argue that we're all giants, compared to other organisms - do you think that if everyone was 10ft tall, we would call ourselves giants? NO. we would say we are ordinary sized, which we are. and also, as a side note... YOU BELIEVE THAT GIANTS ONCE ROAMED THE EARTH. it's in the bible.

and so far as evolving into gods goes... what? performing magic? i don't believe in magic. also, and prepare you self for this, you may be taken aback, nor slavery, rape, men over women, wizards, witches.. list goes on...

1 Point Non Sense 17 Nov 2011 General Comment

>Here's Something to think about..
Right back at you...

First, you're assuming evolution has stopped. Evolution never stops; in some cases it pauses (the theory called punctuated equilibrium)

Second, you're assuming that humans are somehow the pinnacle of evolution, as if evolution culminated in humanity. No, evolution has culminated in an enormous diversity of species.

Third, you're saying "you stop the evolution" and "why stop the process at man" as if a God was directing the process. No, the process is blind.

Fourth, all your argument apply - if not better, to a creator. Why would a creator - particularly a benevolent creator - create such flawed humans that get afflicted with horrible diseases?

Fifth, you're not answering the goddamn question. In your defense, it's a retarded question.

Six, why on earth must you use two question marks all the time? Do you think your questions are twice as insightful as a typical question? Your questions should be followed by half a question mark. Actually, they should be prefixed with an upside down question mark, to prepare people for how stupid your questions are.

Seven, your grouping of robot, alien, giant, or God is amusing.

Eight, I apologize for being rude. But my rudeness is in equal proportion to your laziness of not bothering to educate yourself before posting your opinion to the world.

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

lets say evolution is blind. and to help more lets say the amino acids are already made and rdy to form stuff. the smallest group of amino acids to create one mineral is 50 diffrent kinds. for one mineral. now lets say they somehow found each other by randome. now they have to form up in the correct order. now lets say they did that after a few hundred trys. now you have one mineral. lets start with a living thing. couple thousand acids should do it. lets form them all up in the perfect order, by randome. thats like trying to spell "to be or not to be, that is the question" by dropping srabble pieces on a table.

0 Points Anonymous 05 Dec 2011 General Comment

God is controlling the process of evolution, He created the process. Everything has to have a beginning. If you are an Atheist, how do you believe the Earth (really old Earth, but not eternal) got here? Logically, somewhere there would have to be something or someone who has no beginning.

By the way, God created humans, but it was by their choice that they got flawed and messed up. And I always thought it was interesting how people who didn't believe in God, all over the world, still used His name. Yeah, sure, they used His name as a cussword, but they still used it. There's no getting away from Him.

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

You are a god-damned fucking idiot. I say dragon sometimes too, and they have never existed, even said the word mermaid, and I've never seen a fish tailed bitch before. Just becuase we say words doesn't mean it exists, so pull your head out of your arse and fucking grow up. I bet you still believe in Santa too, and the easter bunny.......oops I've said another two things that don't exist. God didn't create fuck all, he doesn't exist, much like the brain in your head, it's a myth.

0 Points Jay 31 Oct 2011 General Comment

If the earth is only 6000 years how can they explain the dinosaur fossils that are millions of years old!!!!

0 Points a girl 09 Nov 2011 General Comment

evolutonist base their evidence of a million year old fossil bone on what layer of soil it is found on, yet they base the date of the layer of soil on the fossil bone they found. doens't that sound like its going round and round?

0 Points Gentlemanly Scholar 14 Nov 2011 General Comment

Actually, they don't.
Most sedimentary rock is dated using radiometric dating - similar to carbon dating, but using different isotopes which have greater half-lives.

And for the record, people who dig up dinosaur bones and fossils probably prefer "Paleontologist" to "Evolutionist".

0 Points Hallie 11 Oct 2011 General Comment

Have you seen any evidence for the latter? You say you need evidential proof. Proof entails we've seen it, witnessed it, touched it, whatever. Was anyone around 4.6 billion years ago to watch the earth form? Was anyone around 65.5 million years ago to watch the dinosaurs go extinct? NO. So, in that case, you would be taking that word by faith, and we all know, faith is not in science, it is in religion. So your reasonings for beleiving one over the other is contradictory.

0 Points God Sucks 28 Mar 2012 General Comment

You are an idiot! Was anyone around when your so called god 'created' the earth 6000 years ago? Fuck no! According to you idiots he created the earth first and then the so called Adam and Eve, even they weren't around when earth was born. The earth is 4.5 billion years old, and we dont take the word of science in faith dumb arse, we take it as fact, and fact is not religion, religion is jibberish and nonsense, a fairy tale.

0 Points Mike Van Alstine 26 Nov 2011 General Comment

Actually i have seen it. I have held fossil and have personally radio carbon dated things. So i witnessed the proof. You know, because you have not taken the time to learn the science and perform the test yourself, does not make them any less true. Consistency is the key and anywhere in the world, you can perform the same test and get the same results. Even you could go to school and within a few years of study have the knowledge to perform these tests yourself. Then you too could say, that you have witnessed the proof. But let's be honest, that probably is not going to happen.

0 Points Cody 06 Nov 2011 General Comment

"Proof entails we've seen it, touched it" We have seen it; we have touched it. It's not faith if we have a fossil sitting in front of us that tells us it's 100 million years old via carbon-dating. It's not religion if we have a meteorite fragment in our hands that uranium 238 tells us is 4.3 billion years old...

0 Points d-dog 10 Jan 2012 General Comment

lol carbon dating goes only in the thousands of years level. lol.

0 Points John 16 Jun 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Oh it is not just the scientists that report an ancient earth. A brief glimpse of Hindu writings revealed the authors largely believed the earth was 4billion + years old. Amazing such an ancient people could get an age / date of the earth within the same order of magnitude as current scientific estimates. Of course, the Hindu writers were in many a sense scientists of their time.

Besides, even if one believes the Bible is 100% inerrant, then you have to concur with the belief that God will one day destroy the earth with fire and then rebuild it. If God intends to destroy this creation, who can say that there was not a previous creation that God destroyed and Genesis just marks Chapter 1 of this particular creation. It is thus fair to say the earth could easily be older than 6000years old in a Christian context.

0 Points Gentlemanly Scholar 14 Nov 2011 General Comment

Really? I'd love to see those Hindu writings - they'd probably be quite fascinating (once translated into English, of course. I'm not THAT scholarly).
And Revelations is a book they prefer not to talk about. "Take it all literally - except that last part. And the self-contradictions."

0 Points IAM 25 May 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Is the earth approximately 6000 years old? (as opposed to 4.5 billion). The age of the Earth is not an evolutionary idea at all, its a result of testing theories and using devices of consciousness. The bible does not exist. The human ego is damaged with it thinks a Great god made us, therefore we are special. That's all fiction and mostly it is fiction forced on children before they ever gain rational thought processes. The believe in any and all religion and any and all fiction as holy books is the cause of death to the thinking mind and eventually the entire human world. Although the unbelieving animals and plants will survive we the liars will die off because we refuse to stole the wasted minds of religion and fail to love the truth, not the lies and the twisted dogma of old cults. Earth is much older than 4.5 billion years and the future will bring new deices to show everyone without a religiously closed mind the truth. Religion and the fiction of god are a sin against truth and reality.

0 Points Junior 16 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

Here Here. In the beginning Man created god, we had no scientific reasoning as to why anything existed so we made up an extreme story as an answer. Sending kids to christian based colleges, while a great education, they are overall poisoned with the teachings of this 'god', and as children are sponges for knowledge, they don't have a chance to make up their own minds. As for this young earth garbage, apparently before the 'great flood' man lived with dinosaurs who were, strangely enough, all herbivores. And the average life span was hundreds of years. And I thought Norse and Greek mythology was extreme.

0 Points Anonymous 11 Oct 2011 General Comment

I will pray for you.

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

Save going down on your knees for some other poof you god loving dimwit.

1 Point Johnny 11 Apr 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

I was raised as a christian, but gained a sceptical personality later on into my years. I asked similar questions to my pastors, friends and family "most of who were pastors as well" and never once got an actual answer. We, through science and dna mapping, have proven that breeding with our near family creates birth defects and miscarriages. That being said, if Adam and Eve's children mated with each other "wich is the only possible option, being the only people on the planet" then the human race would not have survived, period! And the same goes for Noah's Ark, with only 2 of each species on the boat. I mean, come on....

0 Points Size_t 23 Sep 2011 General Comment

Obviously, you are not a Geneticist! One can argue that due to the purity of the early race(Adam and eves siblings) as evidenced also by the long length of life, there were no adverse effects as we see happening today. Gradually, as the effects of sin took its toll on the human race, marrying one’s own sister, etc., began to create hereditary problems.what are the exact genetic risks of two siblings having a child together? Two siblings who have kids together have a higher chance of passing on a recessive disease to their kids. This means that we have two copies of most of our genes one from mom and one from dad. And these genes can come in different versions.

Recessive means that both copies of a gene need to be the same version for it to have an effect. Common recessive traits are red hair or blue eyes. Common recessive diseases are cystic fibrosis and sickle cell anemia.

Copies of genes that do not work well (or at all) can cause recessive diseases. But usually they only cause the disease if both copies of a gene don't work. You only need one working copy because it can compensate for the copy that doesn't work.

All of us have some recessive disease genes, but we usually have a second, working copy of that gene to make us healthy. When you have one normal copy and one disease copy of a gene, you are called a "carrier" of the disease. Carriers don't show signs of the disease, but they can pass the disease version of the gene to their kids. However, BOTH parents must be carriers in order for their children to have a chance of getting the disease.

There are many different recessive diseases and they tend to be rare. What this means is that two unrelated parents are most likely carriers of different disease genes from each other. If they have kids together, the kids will probably get at least one good copy of any one of those genes. And so the kids are unlikely to get those diseases.

Certainly, Adam and Eve, coming from the creative hand of God, had no such mutant genes. Therefore, marriages between brothers and sisters, or nieces and nephews in the first and second generations following Adam and Eve would not have been dangerous.

0 Points HAMMERHEAD 28 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

There is no evidence that humans had long life spans. Having knowledge of genetics and trying to wrangle it into the creation myth is, at best, intellectually dishonest. If you are a geneticist and a denier of evolution, you are unlikely to find work in your field outside of the Discovery Institute or other such embarrassments to our knowledge base.

0 Points JP 09 Aug 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

You obviusly are not a Creationist because all your facts are against it. You don't know anything, when Isaac Newton was dying he said that evolution is wrong, and that came from a former evolutionsts, so evolution must be WRONG! So evolution is WRONG! But all you evolutionsts will know when you die and go to HELL!

0 Points FlyingSpaghettiMonster 08 Feb 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

I'm sorry to be the one who let you know this, but "Hell" is not real. I am terribly sorry, but, God can go ** off and pay the price for all of those poor souls he killed in the 9/11 attacks. He should be the one going to hell (if he and that were real). He should be deeply sad, ashamed, that his followers commit such terrible crimes. Including you JP - do you think he would want you telling your fellow man to go to hell? I can speak like this because I am a non-believer but you should also be ashamed hahahaha. I think you should go and get rid of your sins for verbally hurting your atheistic counterparts.

0 Points Junior 16 Jan 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

You sir are a grade A lunatic, so what if Newton said that, doesn't mean a thing. And by the way, if there is no such thing as heaven, then hell doesn't exist either. I would rather hell anyway then spend an eternity with boy loving catholics.

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

fuck you dude. my friend got raped by his gay science teacher.

0 Points Junior 26 Feb 2012 General Comment

Oh and another thing FUCK YOU DUDE!

0 Points Junior 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

That is unfortunate, but it doesn't disregard the facts that there are a hell of a lot of faggot preists out there who get away with that shit time after time, and those pricks have a vow of chastity, guess that doesn't include butt sex. But then again, they follow a 'god' who commited adultery with a married woman to get her pregnant, totally throwing his own commandment out the window. Maybe they are recommendations and not rules.

0 Points Mike Van Alstine 26 Nov 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Wow aren't we a little bitter. You know the beauty of science, you are aloud to be wrong. the other nice thing about science is just because one person says that it false, does not mean that they are right. Sound science allows you to recreate the results of an experiment and prove to yourself that they are true. Evolution is a theory, not a fact. A working idea that is currently the most logical idea of how things have gotten to where they are. It could be wrong. What is not wrong is the date of the planet, it might not be 100%, but it is certainly billions of years old, not thousands. This is a fact, as anyone with the willingness to perform the tests can recreate the exact same finding in any lab, any where in the world.

0 Points Everett 24 Oct 2011 General Comment

Doesn't God also say not to judge? So who are you to say that we're going to hell. I for one am a christian, but I also believe that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old. Albert Einstein once said, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

0 Points brandon 23 Oct 2011 General Comment

Even if Newton did say that, why would one man influence you to contradict the overwhelming mountian of evidence for evolution? are you that gullible? You say evolution must be wrong , based on one man's opinion, not seeing the evidence for yourself. EVOLUTION IS SCIENTIFIC FACT. The Bible is just a story. end of subject.

0 Points Anonymous 17 Sep 2011 General Comment

good point dummy.

0 Points Anonymous 07 Sep 2011 Stance on Question: General Comment

You stupid idiot! just because Issac Newton said it's wrong, does not make it wrong you idiot!!! did you know the avarage atheist is smarter then the avarage theist?
you have no proof for you believe!

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

did you know i would like proof of this statement. i highly disbelieve that there was a study to prove this.

0 Points Man Created God 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

You tool! The church arrested early scientists because they knew the facts, Galileo for one. The church subdued the masses into a narrow mindset of god did this, and god did that. Along comes people with brains who think outside the box and it makes the church shit themselves. Athiests are the smartest people in the world, because we think outside the box and think of actual valid reasons as to why everything exists, and not come up with mystical gods as an answer.

0 Points Kel 31 Aug 2011 General Comment

You have no idea what you're talking about. Darwin came up with evolution, not Newton, Newton was a Physicist, not a biologist. Evolution doesn't contradict creationism necessarily. All it asserts in that regard is that we exist. And over time, we can adapt to our environment. How else would you get the domestic cat, horses, H1N1 flu, etc? And we're still evolving, too. Notice how world records in athletics are broken year after year? We haven't reached our limit yet. I guarentee you, 50 years from now, someone will have broken Bolt's record.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Because bible believers that truly believe in creation go by the statement and man was created in gods image if we were to take that statement and apply to what you said that would mean god is a single celled organism and has no brains

0 Points a girl 09 Nov 2011 General Comment

then why is the earth running down? evolutionist believe that things get better and better, but then why is there entropy?

0 Points Reverend Thomas 13 Sep 2011 General Comment

No need to reply, Kel. JP and Anonymous are one and the same person. He/She is obviously a troll.

-1 Point Paul 20 Apr 2011 General Comment

If the blind lead the blind they both fall in a ditch I pray you get out of your ditch.

0 Points Follower of Jesus 16 Apr 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

If you see that in the light of all the diseases that are genetic in today's life....I would agree with your statement.....but you must remember that there weren't diseases like this around
in those times. I feel that genetic disorders came much later when more and more people had children (with close relatives). I can see how a lot of things doesn't make sense to us....because we compare it with how we live now and forget that the earth was a much different place than what it is at the moment. There were giants and people lived to be 900years old in those days...so I really hope that you will lose your "sceptical personality" as you put it! Just believe in God and don't ask to many questions....believe like a child and live your life so that you can have Eternal Life. NOTHING on this Earth is more important. And God will reveal everything to us when the time is right.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Your kidding right there were giants we have excavated all over the world and found tons of stuff but never a bone from a giant

0 Points Paul 20 Nov 2011 General Comment

Well you have proof that humans lived for nine hundred years I assume ? oh yes or course ,read the bible . I would suggest you read some science books and get an education instead of reading a book written by many many unknown authors , rewritten to suit the churches and pushed down the throats of people whether they liked it or not .

0 Points Paul 20 Nov 2011 General Comment

0 Points An Atheist 07 Sep 2011 General Comment

Have you seen what you just wrote?
"just believe in god and don't ask to many questions.."
you brainwashed, stupid and fooled christians can do that, but we atheist wo can think for our self, have found out that there is absolutely no evidence for God or that Christianity is true!
we have the proof on our side!

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

is there any evidence that proves he isn't true?

0 Points Kel 02 Sep 2011 General Comment

Doubt is a good thing. Only sticking to your guns simply means you aren't open-minded. Willful ignorance is not a good thing. Giants? What are you talking about? Giants are fictional creatures. I mean, there are people with giantism, but they have medical problems and often die younger. We can see stars 25 million light years away, which means the universe is older than merely thousands of years.

0 Points Anonymous 19 Aug 2011 General Comment

Wow, Giants. Why are there fossils of everything but those, LOL! "Live live and don't ask quesionts" Wow, can I sell you something?

0 Points Bob the Builder 09 Aug 2011 General Comment

God is good! All the time! Evolution sucks and is wrong,the Bible is correct, all you evolutionsts believe we evolve from bananas and that means you all are cannibals! But that is not true, all evolutionsts might of come from bananas but no creatonists! GO READ THE BIBLE, it is CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

0 Points Anonymous 07 Sep 2011 General Comment

The bible is correct?
Noah's flood never happened
Earth is about. 4.5 billion years old
Dinosaurs did not live at the same time as man
God did not create the universe in seven days
these are just a few of the completely wrong things that stand in the Bible

And the best part you christians.... you can't disprove me!!!!

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

you forgot the earth is round and is not flat lmao

0 Points Hello 08 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

Noah's ark has been found in turkey. http://www.squidoo.com/noahsarkfound
When flood came there was tons of water covering the whole earth, increasing the preasure wich would speed up the creation of oil, and all of that other scient stuff. The bible also says that before the flood there where a huge amout of plants and all those thing that oil get made from.
Genesis 1: 29-30

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

except when archeologist look at parts of the earth for the great flood they can't find it anywhere so the flood did not flood the whole world had it there would be evidence right under your feet

0 Points One of God's creation 20 Oct 2011 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

We know God didn't creat everything in 7 days, it was 6 day. God rested on the 7th day.

0 Points Kel 31 Aug 2011 General Comment

If the Earth was only 6000 years old as well as the universe, how do you explain being able to see stars approximately 2.5 million light years away?

0 Points One of God's creation 20 Oct 2011 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

What about the idea that when God created the stars He created the beams of light emanating from as though they had had already traveled billions of light years across the universe so that they would reach the Earth by Day 4 of Creation? In other words, the universe was created "mature" as though it had experienced history. This brings to mind the old conundrum: How do you know that you, your memories, and the whole universe with its "history" weren't called into existence just 5 minutes ago? Your finite mind can't comprehend the power of God so you already dismiss his powers, because scientist can't explain spritial things so you figure,it doesn't exist.

0 Points Bob the Builder 09 Aug 2011 General Comment

0 Points Man created God 01 Feb 2012 General Comment

What are you, 12 years old? Evolutionists dont believe they evolved from a fruit you cock sucker. I would rather have evolved from primates then incestial fuckers like adam and eve. The bible is the biggest load of bullshit ever written. As for god being good, I suggest you visit evil bible.com, your god was a nasty motherfucker who enjoyed the pain and suffering of children....like yourself.

0 Points Anonymous 19 Aug 2011 General Comment

Learn spelling and grammar. No, we didn't come from bananas. We evolved from a primate which up the road started from amino acids, which were generated from electricity,water,and oxygen. This has already been proven to produce amino acids. Creationists love banana brains.

1 Point Phil 21 Apr 2011 General Comment

Don't Ask Too Many Questions...Believe Like a Child? This is what the "good book" exactly wants to do to the masses...CONTROL. We're there also unicorns in this world of giants and 900 year old people?
Last time I checked, the average human lifespan have increased throughout the years not decreased.

And if the earth is indeed 6000 years old, someone please explain DINOSAUR fossils please.

0 Points One of God's creation 20 Oct 2011 General Comment

Just because something is “fossilized” does not mean that it is millions (or even thousands) of years old. When the conditions and materials are right, a bone can become filled with minerals fairly quickly. The main ingredients are:

1.Quick burial.
2.Water, in the right amounts.
3.Suitable minerals.

Conditions during the Flood were ideal for “fossilizing” millions of animals and plants.

Researchers have found that chicken bones and wood can be replaced with minerals in just five to ten years. A big dinosaur bone might take hundreds of years to completely mineralize. It all depends on the burial conditions over the years.

Many dinosaur remains are still not completely turned in to rock. More than half of the fossil is still original bone, not stone! Some even have chemicals from the living animals (proteins and amino acids)! Some fish fossils still have a fishy smell when first uncovered.

Some of the plants buried during the Flood are not fossilized either. In New Jersey, large amounts of wood from trees that were growing at the same time as dinosaurs can be found in the dirt (Cretaceous clay). They are preserved, but not turned to stone at all. In England, fragile plant hairs and tiny details of the plant’s cells can be seen. The plants are not turned into rock. They are just flattened and blackened. Since the Flood happened only about four or five thousand years ago, these types of discoveries are not surprising.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Adherents believe the Christian Bible is inerrant and hold its passages to be historically accurate; they therefore hold that the story of Noah's ark is a record of actual events, and that the Bible's internal chronology, which places the Flood about six thousand years ago, is equally reliable.

Flood geology (real science) contradicts the scientific consensus in geology and paleontology, and the scientific community considers the subject to be pseudoscience

-1 Point samson solomon 06 May 2011 General Comment

If you read genesis carefully

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

there is a creation and then destruction. that is the time of dinasours destruction

0 Points ........... 15 Jun 2011 General Comment

Then how do you explain the Book of Job. You're , in a nutshell, explaining the gap theory, which is proven wrong by Genesis. The Book of Job tells of a "dinasour".

0 Points Man created God 01 Feb 2012 General Comment

You're, in a nutshell, an idiot. The term dinosaur was first used in 1842 by Sir Richard Owens and it derived from greek words deinos and sauros, meaning terrible lizard.

-1 Point Edward Laughlan 24 Apr 2011 General Comment

Dinosaur fossils Phil, are the fossils of giant lizards that roamed the Earth during the early generations of life on this planet. They lived much longer and grew much bigger because there was a canopy of water around the globe in those days that got busted and flooded the Earth in the days of Noah. God allowed this catastrophe to happen because of the terrible sins of mankind during those times - in fact - as great as they are again today!!

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

Shit me!! You edward Laughlan are by far the most retarded person on this whole blog. Your explanations on anything are about as technological as putting crap on the end of a stick and calling it a television. 1) It would smell of shit, and 2) picture quality would be fucking crap. You make no sense at all, a question was put forth on the explanation of dinosaur fossils and you dribble some garbage on floating water and giant lizards, totally avoiding an actual answer. Next you will be saying that early man was 20 feet tall, and mice were the size of large dogs, all because of a canopy of water around the globe and an oxygen rich environment. That shit never happened dude, where is the proof of this? The greatest catastrophe to happen was when your parents decided it would be a great idea to have kids.

0 Points An Atheist 07 Sep 2011 General Comment

Our planet is proven to be 4,5 billion years old, and the flood of Noah have never happened!
so that was the worst explanations of dinosaur fossils!

0 Points Noah 21 Nov 2011 General Comment

You say proven like its 100% being an Atheist i would think you would know there is no such thing as 100% nothing is fact it is all theory. Stop making it sound like evolution is fact its not its theories, and God is faith.

0 Points proud atheist 16 Mar 2012 General Comment

you are a 100% shit for brains, so 100% does in fact exist. winning.

0 Points Man Created God 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

God is fake, not faith. I can't imagine a layman like you confirming the existance of 'god' 100% either.

0 Points Anonymous 19 Aug 2011 General Comment

Yes Edward, There was a hovering canopy of water defying gravity. Nevermind the molecular weight of water versus gases.

0 Points Sharon 09 Aug 2011 General Comment

You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO correct Edward Laughlan, i totally agree, and The Bible is soo right. Evolution is so wrong I don't know how all these people got so wacky ideas they are just plain STUPID!!!

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

And there I was thinking Edward Laughlan was the most retarded person in this blog, along comes his even more retarded side-kick Sharon. You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking dumb. I've seen 10 year olds write something smarter than your dribble. Grow up you stupid bitch.

0 Points Junior 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

Wacky ideas???? Coming from a person who believes in a being they cannot prove ever existed. You are the wack job. Stupid idiot. The earth has been proven to be billions of years old, and yet the only evidence of a weird god existing is from writings of deluded individuals in this so called bible, the biggest work of fiction ever. Religion said the earth was flat, and the sun rotated around it, they have been disproved. You christians are utter fools.

0 Points An Athiest 07 Sep 2011 General Comment

An avarage Atheist is proven to be smarter then the avarage christian, so if there is someone here who is just plain stupid, it is not us!!!!
besides, the evolution theory is not perfect, but it is by far better then you fairytail who doesn't have any proof!!!!!

-1 Point Edward Laughlan 24 Apr 2011 General Comment

The canopy of water or ice that surrounded our planet caused the atmosphere to have a much greater content of oxygen. This is a key factor in allowing mankind, animals and plants to live longer, healthier, stronger and bigger!

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

You again, just when I thought you couldn't be any stupider you go and try and reaffirm your previous statement of floating water with more ridiculous dribble. Now without being a Jedi, how on earth would you get water or ice to float? You can't that's how. Do us all a favour and give yourself an upper-cut.

0 Points Man Created God 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

You are an absolute tosser! How on earth does water float above the surface if it isn't a gas? Life on this planet wouldn't exist if the sunlight couldn't penetrate this floating canopy of water/ice.

0 Points Mark 18 Apr 2011 General Comment

You're an idiot!

0 Points Anonymous 19 Aug 2011 General Comment

LOL, A hovering canopy of water! Eat your wheaties

0 Points Benja 16 Apr 2011 General Comment

"Just believe in God and don't ask to many questions...."
Yes, the Bible has a story about this dude who asked questions, and the more he asked questions, the more miserable he became. I think eventually he got stoned to death or something. The problem as I see it is that questions can lead to truth. And the truth is serious shoot man! We can't always handle the truth. I'll admit it: I fear the truth. God is truth. And God's a serious Dude. He's like those mafia guys who tell someone to shut up because they're asking too many questions. Whatever they're hiding, it's best you don't know. Unless you want a bullet in your head.

"believe like a child..."
Amen. Here's my dirty little secret: I've never stopped believing in Santa Claus. And you know what, every year I get this mystery present on my doorstep! Well actually not quite: there's a sad twist to this story: my curiosity got the better of me one year and I had to know who was leaving me these presents. So I stayed up all night waiting for the present to arrive. And it never did. I know something is out there though. And when the time is right, I'm going to have the biggest present ever! I just know it!

"God will reveal everything to us when the time is right."
Absolutely. The key here is to WAIT until the truth is revealed to you - not to impatiently push the boundaries of what you know by asking the tough questions. Like that dude in the Bible it just leads to more questions, misery, and possibly stoning. And no-one likes a precocious little Einstein. And Newton was the better scientist. He was just sitting there when the apple fell on his head.

"I can see how a lot of things doesn't make sense to us....because we compare it with how we live now and forget that the earth was a much different place than what it is at the moment."
You know the problem is that things are all too similar today to the way they were back then. We're still sinners. We're still struggling to find faith. All this technology is a big distraction. I was talking to this kid and what he really wanted to know was whether any of the Bible miracles had been caught on camera-phone.

"so I really hope that you will lose your "sceptical personality" as you put it!"
I know. It's an ugly personality trait. I know this girl who's an atheist and also a climate skeptic. I was like "Girl - at least believe in climate change - believe in something!".

"but you must remember that there weren't diseases like this around in those times. I feel that genetic disorders came much later when more and more people had children (with close relatives)"
I know, things have gotten worse. Sure, in the Bible you had a lot of homosexuality, with Sodom and Gomorrah. And also Adam and Eve's kids were doing the devil's dirty deeds with each other. But it's worse now, to be sure. I was reading that 1 in 4 kids now have parents that are brother and sister. And I feel that these kids are probably where all these gays are coming from.

"There were giants and people lived to be 900years old in those days..."
This is ONE point where I have to respectfully disagree with you. Sure, they have the fossils. But can you really trust the fossils? And the carbon dating?

0 Points Anonymous 19 Aug 2011 General Comment

1 in 4 kids have parents that are brother and sister? Sounds like you've been reading something about as correct as the bible.

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

you have never been to west VA have you lol

0 Points Me 19 Mar 2011 General Comment

Most people who read the bible can't agree on an answer to this question and most others.
Who did Adam and Eves children mate with?

-1 Point James 07 Mar 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

Of course the Earth is Approximatly 6000 years old that is a certanty! Science has proven it. Look at the moon lander: Thos round landing pads on it were designed to act as snow shoes. The reason for this is they at the time thought the moon was 2.3B years old and therefor would have approximatly 27 feet of dust on it's surface due to space dust settling. However much to their suprise there was less than 1/16th of an inch of space dust equating to about 6000 years of space dust collection give or take a few hundred. Point two: When Darwin came up with the evolution theory the idea of carbon-14 dating didn't even exist and his estimates of the age of the earth were pruly speculation. Point three Carbon dating can only be used for living things or things that were once alive so anyone who tells you that a rock or a layer of the earth is a certain age because of carbon dating does not know what they are saying, additionally it has been stated that carbon dating is not accurate past 50K years, and it depends on the idea that the environmental conditions have always been the same which in the same breath they have said has not always been the same.

0 Points Jezmund 30 May 2011 General Comment

i dont know where to start with you... you are truly ignorant when it comes to dating methods... You are right when you say carbon dating can only be used for 50,000 years.. scientists know that too... thats why they ONLY use carbon dating for things that are less than 50-100K years old... its t heir fine tuned dating... when it comes to things that are billions of years old.. they use dozens of radiometric dating methods because they ARE accurate for inorganic materials aged in the billions... NOBODY WOULD EVER USE CARBON-14 FOR DATING THE AGE OF THE EARTH... NOBODY!!! NOT SCIENTISTS.. NOBODY!!! not that it will change your mind

the creationist "dust" was simply a hypothesis made by a few scientists about the dust on the moon and asked our astronouts to be careful just in case by equipping the moon lander with "snow shoes"... this was not a scientific consensus... turns out the moon only collects a minute amount of dust a year which turns out equals only centimeters after billions of years...

1 Point Tom B 05 Apr 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

well your comment about carbon dating not being accurate past 50000 years (while missing the point as the figure in billions of years is extremely rounded and not at all meant to be accurate [accuracy being defined as the quality of being near to the true valaue] the figure 2.3B leaves around 99,999,999 years of possiblity, i personally wouldn't call that trying to be particually accurate. for example could you recall when you first remember going to church? to the nearest 10,000,000 years-------back to the main point) doesn't proove that the world started 6000 years ago, in fact it proves it doesn't. If you say it innacurate past 50k years then that is asserting that it is accurate up to 50k years. Im sure you will agree 6000 years is within that period and there are objects that have been carbon dated to be older thank that amount. Consider a item that was carbon dated to be 49k years old, according to the figure you gave this is an accurate measurment which then prooves the earth is older than 6000 years old. This short criticism rules out one of arguments. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

A lesson on scientific dating for earth for more goto http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html#howold
The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.

While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.

The most direct means for calculating the Earth's age is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204.

If the solar system formed from a common pool of matter, which was uniformly distributed in terms of Pb isotope ratios, then the initial plots for all objects from that pool of matter would fall on a single point.

Over time, the amounts of Pb-206 and Pb-207 will change in some samples, as these isotopes are decay end-products of uranium decay (U-238 decays to Pb-206, and U-235 decays to Pb-207). This causes the data points to separate from each other. The higher the uranium-to-lead ratio of a rock, the more the Pb-206/Pb-204 and Pb-207/Pb-204 values will change with time.

-1 Point Edward Laughlan 24 Apr 2011 General Comment

Read the book, IN THE BEGINNING, by Walt Brown - he'll answer all your questions!

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

Will he answer this question.......why did your parents decide to pollute the human gene pool by giving birth to you?

0 Points Man created God 01 Feb 2012 General Comment

You deluded fool! As if this Walt Brown penis knows anything, he is as deluded as the rest of you christian clowns. THERE IS NO GOD

0 Points Anonymous 21 Mar 2011 General Comment

Forgetting about the age of the earth for a second. Believing the biblical claims also requires a belief the entire universe is 6000 years old. We can see stars which are billions of light years away. Therefore, the light from those stars has taken billions of years to reach us. Which means the stars have been there for billions of years!

0 Points Edward Laughlan 24 Apr 2011 General Comment

No it doesn't! The Bible states very clearly that the Creator STRETCHED out the heavens after He made them!! Isaiah 42: 5: "This is what God the LORD says--he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it."

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

Now hold on a minute, if the bible says that then it must be true, I mean jeez it was written by man afterall.....could it be, Edward Laughlan, that you are indeed a wise person in the know?.................fuck no! For the last time stop being so stupid!

0 Points An Atheist 07 Sep 2011 General Comment

Yes it does you idiot! if you knew just a bit about Physics and Astronomy, you would understand that the universe is by far older then 6000 years!!!!

1 Point kwhipke1 07 Mar 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Given the evidence, the likelihood that the earth is around 4.5 billion years is higher than the likelihood that the earth is 6000 years old.

That is, of course, before assuming the existence of My Preferred Supernatural Entity.

0 Points blacktrance 10 Feb 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Geologic evidence proves it quite conclusively.

0 Points Non Theist 26 Jan 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

The Biblical evidence of creation in Genesis was purportedly given by God to Moses. Most biblical scholars & Israeli Archeological Researchers now agree that Moses & the Pentateuch are early Hebrew fables.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

And by for some reason if a guy like Moses was here today and he came down the mountain and said he talked to god we would lock him up in an institution but yet you want us to believe the writings of these deluded schizophrenic mushroom eating lunatics.If Chris angel where to appear a couple thousand years ago and walk on water as he did when he walked across the pool or escape from a coffin as he did once or from a tomb we would believe him to be the son of god would we not?To me this alone proves that these gullible people were taken in by a passing lunatic magician named Jesus looking for some free meals and found that preaching and doing magic tricks would do that for him this seems more logical to me.Then some one who spoke words and then poof we are here but Guys the only way they will ever discover the truth is when they die as for me I will live for the moment and not spend my time trying to appease some god that I know doesn't exist

0 Points Pbuck 12 Jul 2011 General Comment

Then most are wrong which is nothing new many times the majority has been proven wrong.

0 Points PC 18 Jan 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

Time is dialated by traveling at high speeds. If God were traveling close to the speed of light, and he certainly is capable, then 4.5 billion years would seem to Him to be 7 days. So when the writers of the Bible were inspired by God in their writing, creation came out as 7 days.

0 Points Benja 19 Jan 2011 General Comment

"Time is dialated by traveling at high speeds. If God were traveling close to the speed of light, and he certainly is capable, then 4.5 billion years would seem to Him to be 7 days. So when the writers of the Bible were inspired by God in their writing, creation came out as 7 days."

I thought God was everywhere but apparently He needs to travel.

0 Points Lola 16 May 2011 General Comment

Have to agree with that. If these people actually agree with the bible then how come noah didnt save any dinosaures in his ship like he did for the rest. Also if the world is really only 6000 years olds then how did they found different plants on three different continents back when it was called pangea. This is all about control and how we should ask to many question as people. On a last note the first person that has been recorded was an arc bishop ireland and he thought that the earth was created on octobre 20 to 26 4004 bce.

0 Points M6 16 Feb 2011 General Comment

hahahahahahha That was an epic reply.

0 Points BK Martin 18 Dec 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

I look to the 7 days of creation. Those that espouse the view that the planet is only 6000 years old have turned down the offer of 'a day' to God being longer than our human day. Nope they say, a day is a day and God did it in 7 24 hour days. I'll buy days 4, 5 and 6 being 24 hours but how long were days 1, 2 and 3? The Earth revolving on its axis while orbiting the Sun sets the length of our day, so if the sun wasn't created until the 4th day, how long were the previous 3 days? I'd say just a few days shy of 4.5 billion years...

0 Points Eric John 02 Sep 2011 General Comment

Thats what I am thinking. Many people have trouble thinking logically. I call them dots. Everything is either black or white. There is no possibility of a dash between the words. But the bible uses many literary devices. Metaphor, simile, even fictitious tales to teach a particular truth. Ie the parables of Jesus. Do all the stars fall on the earth on Revelation or is God just saying look really tough times are ahead I am warning you so you hang on there and dont give up. Don't worry the bible is true even if Chimp DNA looks to be very similar to humans. The bible teaches that God formed man from dust but that animals developed out of the earths natural processes. It really does read the account in Genesis again. Perhaps the dust God is speaking of oid Chimp DNA. He wouldnt say"and God formed the man from Dioxy Ribonuclaic Acid (spelling) or else everyone up to the last 100 years wouldnt have a clue. This whole debate id like 2 guys arguing over a rock without having ever seen it before one screams it rolled here and the other one screams NO! it tumbled here!

0 Points Anonymous 02 Sep 2011 General Comment

It's Dotty!

-1 Point Bob 31 Dec 2010 General Comment

Why doesn't anyone on this site actually read the Bible? Gen 1:1 says" In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (period!) Gen 1:2 says"Now the earth was formless..." So the heavens and earth were created at a time uncertain. There is no time stamp here! We can date back to Adam, so what, that is meaningless to the age of the earth. God created the earth, he doesn't say how, thus even the big bang is in play. God created the natural world and all that is in it. This means that the sedimentary layer and all the other science used to date the earth are from God. Is this a deception? I think not, God doesn't lie. Thus the scientific data is real and the age of the earth is very old. And best of all there is NO conflict between science and the Bible!

0 Points Jesus Freak 11 Oct 2011 General Comment

Certain creationists believe that the earth is a little over 6,000 years, because if you go thru all of the genealogies and add them up, you get just over 4,000 years, and then if you add the 2,000 years since the time of Jesus, you get just over 6,000. Also, it states that God spoke the stars, sun, and moon into heaven and with his voice created the heavens and the earth.

0 Points Benja 31 Dec 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

"And best of all there is NO conflict between science and the Bible!"
See Are the core truths of science and religion complementary?.

-1 Point Bob 31 Dec 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

Was there a comment there? Simply dismissing something because you don't agree is lame. Try and actually think about science vs God! I will not bring religion into this since religion is man made and not closely related to the Bible and God.

0 Points Bambi 24 Apr 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

But isn't Christianity a religion and the fact that God and the bible part of Christianity make both of those man made?

-1 Point Anonymous 29 Apr 2011 General Comment

Well, if The religion is true, then it's not man made but God planned. Evelution and "old earth" is a man made hypothisis, and thus not objective and possibly flawed. We are faith based beings.

0 Points Jezmund 30 May 2011 General Comment

hahaha evolution and "old earth" are not hypothesis.. they are scientific theory.. just like gravity.. which means to a layman like yourself ... and all other non-scientists.. scientific theory means FACT in our language... the every day use of the word "theory" is equal to the scientific definition of hypothesis... A theory is a hypothesis that has basically been proven.. like the age of the earth and evolution and gravity

0 Points Pbuck 12 Jul 2011 General Comment

the·o·ry

the·o·ry [th əree, three]
(plural the·o·ries)
n
1. rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice
economic theories
Many coaches have a good grasp of the theory of football but can't motivate players.

2. speculation: abstract thought or contemplation
3. idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture
She believed in the theory that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

4. hypothetical circumstances: a set of circumstances or principles that is hypothetical
That's the theory, but it may not work out in practice.

5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena

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0 Points JC 15 Sep 2010 General Comment

Greetings everyone,

One simple observation can aleve us of the belief that the world is only 6,000 years old. Evidence can be found within sediment layers and lava flows. Lava, which hardens into rock, contains grains of iron oxides that point toward the magnetic pole as the rock solidifies. Thus, these grains are permanent records of the location of the earth's magnetic field. The earth's magnetic field has reversed approximately 170 times over the last 100 million years.

-1 Point Anonymous 17 Oct 2010 General Comment

what about granite, how can you explain it?

1 Point Frank D'Angelo 09 Sep 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

Has there ever been a time where the Church's take on science, mathmatics, biology, astronomy or other science was correct? The earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, if your different then you're a witch, heretic, or other devil/demon. Sheeesh, how brainwashed do you have to be??? Can you imagine living in a world where the church dictated science and technology. That's the dark ages all over again.

-1 Point Anonymous 17 Oct 2010 General Comment

jeje be specific who you are talking about when you say "church" because the ones who really follow the bible without changing it or using it for their own profit like catholics, would notice that the earth was round!there is quite a few verses that reveal the earth is round

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

we didn't chandge the bible. we wrote it. the protistants chandged it, took out a whole 7 books in it. your little martin luther was a nut job who thuoght deamons were talking out of his ass.

0 Points Man Created God 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

Martin Luther was just fed up with the cockhead Pope dictating everything that everyone does, Catholics are dumb shits who talk out of their asses all the time with the amount of shit that they dribble. But in all seriousness, the bible is just a bedtime story anyway.

0 Points satanlovesvulva 05 Oct 2012 General Comment

the bible is not just a bed time story, it also keeps me warm at night when I don't have money to pay my electricity. Those nights that it gets cold, I tear up a few of them bible pages and drop the pages in the fire. That keeps me warm for a few hours. Thanks fake god for sending us this great body warmer.

0 Points Benja 09 Sep 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

"Sheeesh, how brainwashed do you have to be???"
Yeah I was chatting to a brainwashed guy here.

-1 Point jawsm 23 Mar 2011 General Comment

do u know a guy called Kent E Hovind?
and P.S i DONT think the earth is billions of years old and everyone that believes that the earth is billions of years old has got brainwashed.

0 Points An Atheist 07 Sep 2011 General Comment

No you are brainwashed you idiot! it's proven that the avarage atheist is smarten then the avarage believer! The universe is proven to be older then what your fairytail book says

-1 Point Follower of Jesus 16 Apr 2011 Stance on Question: Agree

Have watched Kent Hovind's dvd's and I do believe that the Earth is only around 6000 years old.
What really bugs me is that people can go on and on and on about these issues. I think that we are missing the point. What does it really matter how old the Earth is? The most important thing is to accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. And live you life according to his commandments.
There are a lot of things going on on this planet of ours, which tries to cover the Truth from us. Satan is always busy to make plans to undermine the Bible and it's contents. All I can say is keep an open mind and don't believe everything scientists tries to sell to you. They have a lot of "theories".

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

We are not missing the point the age matters cause we are disproving the bibles fantasy of the earth being 6000 years old and that means that the bible is wrong and that means Man created god and that means we don't have a fcking savior.SO if you want to follow and worship some fcking starving magician around you go ahead.We think you all should learn to think for yourselves instead of being brainwashed to believe that the bible is Gods word when the bible is mans word and nothing more.

0 Points Holy Crap 15 Aug 2011 General Comment

Yes, theories like gravity. I'd imagine that most of the people on this site don't believe in gravity either......as I sit here waiting for you to float away.

0 Points Jezmund 30 May 2011 General Comment

You aren't very bright are you? Kent Hovind is in prison right now and even YOUNG EARTH CREATIONISTS criticize his arguments and say they are doing a disservice to creationism because they are so easy to invalidate

0 Points Benja 16 Apr 2011 General Comment

"Have watched Kent Hovind's dvd's and I do believe that the Earth is only around 6000 years old. What really bugs me is that people can go on and on and on about these issues."
I know, I thought Hovind settled it once and for all. I admit I'd still watch the sequel if he makes one once he's out of prison.

"What does it really matter how old the Earth is? The most important thing is to accept Jesus Christ as your Savior."
If the Earth isn't 6000 years old it means the Bible is wrong so I'm going to lose my faith.

"Satan is always busy to make plans to undermine the Bible and it's contents."
Satan is always questioning everything. I find the best way to defend myself against Satan is to simply ignore His questions.

"All I can say is keep an open mind and don't believe everything scientists tries to sell to you. They have a lot of 'theories'."
I keep my mind open by not asking questions. And don't get me started on theorizing. Theorizing is Satan's question-making on steroids. That's my current theory anyway.

0 Points OmnipotentRabbit 10 Apr 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

The evidence is all at arm's reach of everyone to see. Whoever lets the Church tell them what they should believe and blind themselves to all other fountains of knowledge has no willpower.

This comment is collapsed because it has -3 points or less.Expand/collapse comment. -3 Points brian gibbs 05 Jun 2010 General Comment

All science is theoretical. Carbon dating was created by man. Science was created by man. The earth and the universe was created by GOD with no mistakes. Science was created by man that has countless contradicting mistakes.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

And you believe in god because of a book that man wrote right lmao You have been brainwashed

0 Points Holy Crap 15 Aug 2011 General Comment

.......and the Bible was written by man. So...your point is what??

0 Points HomeShooled Teen13 07 Oct 2010 General Comment

AMEN, thats really good!

0 Points Anonymous 23 Dec 2010 General Comment

I see your name holds mistakes as well.

0 Points jesus chriminy 17 Jul 2010 General Comment

science has shown us how the earth was formed, and the universe itself, without science we would be no better than apes, and science is the only way for humanity to advance, religion is a coping mechinism humans have invented to cope with things they dont understand, do your research on the first religions, actually i'm just going to say you are a ignorant fool, but i guess religion really is the opiate of the masses, the stupid unevolved massed

0 Points Anonymous 17 Oct 2010 General Comment

ignorant fools are those who see but do not believe, those who believe their path are rightous...
i agree with you RELIGION is a mechanism created by man made up of rules and traditions...but to have a relation ship with Jesus Christ is not religion.....if you think and believe that science can explain how science was formed, then you should do more research and then you will understand that yes it does explaing some points but not all ....so if your science is so acurate why not all?

0 Points TheMon 21 Oct 2010 General Comment

We did not know that the earth was round some time ago... does that mean that because science is so incomplete religion would have to help us on that one.. No it just means that theories were wrong and we weren't advanced enough. Give it time and science will come to explain more and more.

0 Points Anonymous 22 Aug 2010 General Comment

God is the creator of all things the earth, the Universe and people like you who deny him. If we came from apes who then created the apes? and if the apes came from the first mammal species who than created them? The answer is no matter what scientists are trying to disprove. They have no answer to how these things, whether its a piece of rock, or a living organism were created. Someone must have put them there, and that someone is your almighty God.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

All I can say is Wrong

0 Points TheMon 21 Oct 2010 General Comment

Who created god >.>

0 Points Anonymous 28 Mar 2011 General Comment

ah that's easy - jews.

0 Points Jesus Freak 07 Oct 2010 General Comment

I like it.nothing cant create anything.

0 Points Benja 22 Aug 2010 Editorial Comment

You're addressing a different question: Must God exist to explain how the universe began?.

0 Points art 22 Aug 2010 General Comment

Oh yeah Art is my name.

0 Points Herminio Quebrar 10 Jun 2010 General Comment

in the vision of Moses, he saw that the earth was the first creature object in the universe follow by the moon and the sun, then next the billion billion matter that found in the universe. and i hope that no objection if i say these are came from one origin the god. my question for those who believe that the earth was 6000 years old...is, why these matter separated with a billion light year away from each other if the creation was 6000 years ago. i mean zero time from god these object separated and travel away from god as past as the speed of light and 6000 years are enough. please explain ,

0 Points Benja 05 Jun 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

"All science is theoretical. Carbon dating was created by man. Science was created by man. The earth and the universe was created by GOD with no mistakes. Science was created by man that has countless contradicting mistakes."

God made colors because He didn't want us to see the world in black and white.

0 Points herminio quebrar 24 Jul 2010 General Comment

the creation is not magic when the god says the words let there be light(gen 1:3) he never speak the magic spell but the truth is, his mouth was release the intense sound energy to create the light, but the transposition of energy into matter takes a million of years not in 24 hours or 7 days. the big bang is the voice of god (psalm 29:8,,Psalm 33:6 king james version) the science and the bible have no disparity.

0 Points jesus chriminy 17 Jul 2010 General Comment

see, this retard proves my point

0 Points Innocent Bystander 26 Aug 2010 General Comment

Question then, if the bible is the most consitent book written in the history of man kind, the majority of hard-core evolutionists become confirmed creationists after indepth study meant for disclaiming creationism, and there has yet to be actual scientific proof given to proove the age of the earth, which of you are right?

1 Point Packbat 19 Mar 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

The only way anyone would suggest the Earth is less than a billion years old is by hypothesizing without actual evidence. Sure, a few thousand years sounds plausible if you don't anything about science, but every field of endeavor which looks back farther than living memory - including plain-old history - suggests clearly that the Earth is older.

-1 Point Benja 19 Mar 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

Actually, Russell Humphreys has a PhD in physics, yet still believes in a young earth. It's a gem of an example of motivated cognition and mental compartmentalization.

0 Points Packbat 19 Mar 2010 General Comment

When he is hypothesizing that the earth is about 6000 years old, he's not doing so based on the actual evidence available in his field - that's what I mean.

0 Points Innocent Bystander 26 Aug 2010 General Comment

But again, why do those who seek to disprove the bible by indepth study later turn around and say they were wrong and scientific evidence prooves in an all-powerful creator? I am not being closed minded but truly curious when I ask you, do you yourself have actual proof (scientific, mathematical, etc.) to supply when you claim an old earth. And do you know for absolute certain that this Russell Humphreys is not using evidence as the basis of his hypothesis. Isn't a HYPOTHESIS an EDUCATED GUESS based on PRIOR KNOWLEDGE?

0 Points Xavier Mafe 12 Apr 2011 General Comment

do keep in mind that there is in fact a difference between believing in an all powerful creator and believing that the earth is 6000 years old.

0 Points Benja 12 Apr 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

The people who think the Earth is 6000 years old actually do one thing right: make a specific empirical claim about God that can be refuted. Others who believe in God are often so loose with their claims about what God is and does that their God becomes irrefutable. A more subtle form of wrongness, but still wrongness.

1 Point JGWeissman 06 Mar 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

There is no reason to even be considering this hypothesis. No credible evidence has suggested it.

-1 Point Len Robertson 28 Sep 2008 Stance on Question: Neutral

The discovery of planets orbiting other stars ends the debate with neither the creationists nor the evolutionists winning. Granted, the creationists will continue to claim that there is no written proof that the other planets are more than 5000 years old.

Unfortunately, we have recently learned that nearly all stars have planets, they can be seen and photographed, and life is everywhere. Detection of other civilizations is only a decade or two away. Imagine how surprised those civilizations will be when they are told their histories end 5000 years in the past, regardless of their own written evidence to the contrary.

As for evolutionists, we didn't come from the muck. We weren't a lucky accident resulting from lightning striking amino acids. A more likely possibility is that poly extremophiles rained down upon this planet from the moment it formed and eventually some of them found a foothold and prospered.

Where did we ultimately come from? Maybe, we came from PSR B1620-26 b, the planet 13 billion years old that has been nicknamed Methuselah. Maybe we came from an even older planet? Maybe we came from an earlier universe? Whatever the answer, it won't be found here on Earth.

Just another reason for Humanity to get its fat ass of this tired old rock.

Ciao for now,

Len

P.S. I’m inclined to think the Intelligent Design theory has credence because I have to wonder what environment could naturally produce poly extremophiles as wild as Deinococcus Radiodurans, called by NASA Conan the Bacterium? There must have been an intelligent hand involved in the process.

0 Points godsriddle 01 Oct 2011 Stance on Question: Neutral

One should examine the evidence from the perspective of the biblical writer, in their culture, grammar and epistemic system. All ancient people believed that the first generations lived for eons. Indeed we find the skulls of our ancestors with thick brows. The skull is the only part of our skeleton that keeps growing as we age. If we lived for geological ages, as Job described in chapter 14, our faces would double before we died - we would become Neanderthals from great age. Our grandchildren would not have the thick brows, yet their primary teeth would be worn from vast age, just like the fossils show. Job even mentioned how their faces deformed before the died, back in the dinosaur age. He even mentioned how the sea (Hebrew west) dried up as one of his markers for the length of life. Indeed, the Mediterranean did repeatedly dry up just like Job stated. We would say this would take millions of years - but job lists it as one of the geological markers for a single lifetime.

We can see the past all the way back to the creation era. Every atomic clock in billions of galaxies accelerates throughout cosmic history. It is not just the clocks that accelerate, we observe how the stars came out, accelerated out, rotated out as billions of galaxies at many ranges grew into huge growth spirals. What we observe is evidence for a very old universe where the earth has only orbited a few thousand times as every clock and every orbit continues to accelerate.

Our ancestors even recorded how the planets passed close by and the crushing of a great watery planet at close range - both of which are mentioned in the Bible. Once you examine the first principle of science (the assumption that the properties of matter are fixed, not emerging) you can see why the earth has vast age - yet few years have passed.

0 Points RationalThinker 29 Dec 2011 Stance on Question: Disagree

They could be worn due to poor dental care, and the only parts of the skeleton that keep growing are your ears and nose. plus growth rings found in the bones of the skeletons disproves this generations idea.

0 Points toto boss man 16 Jan 2012 General Comment

your ears and nose are not made of bone. ahahahha

0 Points Kel 31 Aug 2011 General Comment

Intelligent Design is just a fancy word for creationism, the vocabulary is just a little different.

0 Points Benja 09 Sep 2008 Editorial Comment

Additional questions linked via implications are required here for the various creationist arguments to be separated out. E.g.:

Speed of light changing over time argument
Geological arguments
Radioactive dating arguments

Many of the arguments presented by Dr. Russell Humprheys 11 appear to be "strawman arguments".

0 Points Ahmet Engin 08 Jul 2010 Stance on Question: Disagree

It is impossible. The evidences about papyrus writings of Pharoahs are proved to be more than 6k years old, fossil records are also proved.
I think we question the wrong part of the Bible statement of 6000 year-old world. In Islam, we have the same theory but it says " 6 days of time, it was created!".
Careful, in another sentence, Prophet Mohammed said that 6 days is a measurement that means 6 equal but very long period of time. Let us say 1 billion of years for a day in those sentences?

0 Points Peter 03 Mar 2012 General Comment

if one day was equal to 1 billion years now your saying the earth is 6 billion years old when it is only 4.5 billion years old this is exactly the problem people who believe in the bible will always try to make science fit into the bible and it just can't be done.The most compelling evidence in my opinion is if the bible is truly Gods word then why in the 10 commandments would the punishments for breaking them be death and then contradict it self and say thou shall not kill.Example: I commit adultery therefore I must be sentenced to death and I must be killed but you are forbidden by the 10 commandments not to kill. This to me does not appear to be the work of an all knowing perfect being.There is no way A being that knows the future would give these 10 commandments and these punishments to follow for all of time.The 10 commandments were written and made up by man and are flawed just as man is flawed.
The bible which is gods word is so flawed there is no way it came from an all knowing being.the bible and it's rules were all written for the times and no future in the words were ever even thought of things like A rape victim must marry her rapist there are so many of these flawed rules and no thought was ever given to the future and God knows that these words will no longer be fit so why would he write them I say he wouldn't have I say if an all knowing being that is getting a follower to write his words he would have given rules that could stand the test of time and not just for the first 20 years.

0 Points Karim 02 Nov 2011 General Comment

Agree, I think the Arabic word for day and a general "phase" of time is similar. It just happens that for us humans it's easier to mark a day by the rising of the sun.

I think it's more accurate to say that the Earth was created in 6 phases.

Just from the number of prophets that were sent down (over 100,000 of them) should tell you that Earth has been around for more than 600 years. From the gaps in time between one prophet to another (average 500 years that we know about), multiplied that by 100,000 goes back far more than 6000 years.

As Ahmet Engin said that there are Egyptian fossils that go on longer than that, but there are earlier fossils discovered in Göbekli Tepe, Turkey.

I am troubled that Christians stick so rigidly to the 6 earth day theory, when they don't have the original scribes of the bible nor the understanding of the ancient Armaic languages to make that claim.

0 Points LOVE 07 Nov 2011 General Comment

U could say u can prove both points, its a never ending argument. christians should not tell plp they are wrong or call non believers names, which i think is the worse thing on their part, thats what plp want. that goes against everything God goes for...to all those christians don't look for things to get u worked up it makes u angry...so calm down...it says in the bible to not judge or tell plp they are wrong , go on with ur life and stop messing with plp that don't want ur option ...God said u can believe what u want to believe...who cares what plp think, not the world so don't make enemies..from all i have read both parties are not educated on opposite sides...so either one has a clue what the other is talking about so when the christian studies science theories and the the atheist reads the bible either is right....

u get different answers anywhere u go..but don't call urself a christian and argue

0 Points God Sucks 18 Jan 2012 General Comment

Christians have been telling people they are wrong for hundreds of years you silly hippy. The Crusades were against other religions because Christians thought they were wrong, the Crusaders were apparently sent by God, so it is everything God stands for, he loves the violence, the killings, women and children deaths, it doesn't matter cause he is a blood hungry deity. And you say the bible tells us not to judge ppl, or tell them they are wrong....well my hippy comrade, you are wrong, just like every other christian here, this so called 'god' of yours is a blood crazed beast who loves the innocent deaths of children as an entree.

0 Points Maylene 22 Feb 2013 General Comment

Yes, of course. Christians HAVE been telling atheists they’re wrong. But it’s not just a “christian” thing. Everyone does it. It’s in our human nature to say that other people are wrong when we think we’re right. I don’t think it’s reasonable to call Christians judgmental when really, everyone has the tendency to call other people wrong and to judge.

And actually the Bible does tell us not to judge. Here are some verses that talk about it. You can look them up if you want to.

I found a site that pulled out some Bible verses and I looked through the first several of them and pulled out the ones that best explain how I personally see things.

Romans 14:1-23
Matthew 5:22
1 Corithnians 13:1-13

Here’s a quick link to the site I got the verses from if you don't feel like opening the Bible right now. http://www.openbible.info/topics/only_god_can_judge

Here's one moe page I looked at

Romans 2:1-3
Matthew 7:5
http://www.openbible.info/topics/judging_others

If you hit ctrl F then you can type the verses above to quickly arrive at the text for them.

0 Points Rayegirl 15 Feb 2012 General Comment

Sorry tell you this but the Crusades were man's fault in plain English the Church sent knights to get Musliums out of Jeruslum. God does not enjoy death and sufering but this is a fallen World and there will be pain until Jesus Christ Returns.

0 Points Peter 03 Mar 2012 General Comment

Your wrong in the bible God not only condones this but ordered it on more then on occasion example in Numbers 31:7-18 They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.And war
Another quote which is why the church likely had the crusade are quotes like this one from Deuteronomy 20:10
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Clearly God is telling Moses and other to kill in his name how can you say teh crusades was man mistake when the priests who started the crusade where acting in gods name from the words of teh bible which you still say is Gods word seriously.

0 Points Maylene 22 Feb 2013 General Comment

God may have ordered death on certain occasions, but that doesn’t mean he’s blood-thirsty or anything. I’m sure that he has his reasons, whatever they were, for destroying those people, and I’m also sure that he was also heart broken for them too.

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Since you believe in god so much how about this by your bible I should be able to rape you pay your father 50 silver pieces then marry you.I believe this to be sick who in there right mind would make a woman marry there attacker answer God don't believe get your bible or goto google and turn to Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT it reads in so many words depending on the translation you find it reads as follows "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."
So can we get together for this event do you believe that much to obey everything in the bible???I think not I eagerly await your answer.

0 Points God? There is no god! 16 Feb 2012 General Comment

Not man's fault, but the fault of one man....the pope, and who does this idiot answer to, that's right, your god. Christianity tried so hard to be the dominant religion, they thought they were more powerful than islam, they even stole pagan festivals so the conquered religion would blend into christianity more readily. Christmas day for example, a festival to welcome back the sun, stolen by christianity and made to be the day jesus was born (which is false). Easter was also a pagan holiday, and now apparently jesus died and rose from death, why is it that it is always on a Sunday with different dates every year, at least christmas day is always on the same date. Seriously, how long do we have to wait for this jesus christ? What with all the wars mankind has endured since he carked it, how much longer do they intend on sitting up there with big grins, watching us destroy each other before he comes down and eases our pain?

0 Points God Sucks 16 Feb 2012 General Comment

Pull your head in, all in all it is still religion that caused these wars, and its not just the crusades either, even catholics vs protestants european wars in the 18th and 19th canturies. You aren't telling me anything new, of course its mans fault, but they were still directed by the church, and overall by god. Your god is evil, and this so called son of god jesus christ won't return cause he was a petty criminal who brainwashed deluded jews.

0 Points Peter 03 Mar 2012 General Comment

Jesus only Brainwashed a few Jews the Jewish do not believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of god read the following and you will see how Christianity was born from these few jews and how they were fooled to believe Jesus Christ was the son of god.
Stated simply, the Jewish view of Jesus of Nazareth is that he was an ordinary Jewish man and preacher living during the Roman occupation of the Holy Land in the first century C.E. The Romans executed him - and also executed many other nationalistic and religious Jews - for speaking out against Roman authority and abuses.
Was Jesus the Messiah According to Jewish Beliefs?
After the death of Jesus, his followers - at the time a small sect of former Jews known as the Nazarenes - claimed he was the Messiah prophesied in Jewish texts and that he would soon return to fulfill the acts required of the Messiah. The majority of contemporary Jews rejected this belief and Judaism as a whole continues to do so today. Eventually, Jesus became the focal point of a small Jewish religious movement that would evolve into the Christian faith.
Jews do not believe that Jesus was divine, the Son of God, or the Messiah prophesied in Jewish scriptures. He is seen as a "false messiah," meaning someone who claimed (or whose followers claimed for him) the mantle of the Messiah but who ultimately did not meet the requirements laid out in Jewish beliefs. According to Jewish scripture and belief, the true Messiah (pronounced "moshiach" in Hebrew) must meet the following requirements. He must:
Be an observant Jewish man descended from the house of King David
Be an ordinary human being (as opposed to the Son of God)
Bring peace to the world
Gather all Jews back into Israel
Rebuild the ancient Temple in Jerusalem
Unite humanity in the worship of the Jewish God and Torah observance
Because Jesus did not meet these requirements, from the Jewish perspective he was not the Messiah.Jesus of Nazareth was one of many Jews throughout history who attempted to directly or indirectly lay claim to being the Messiah. Given the difficult social climate under Roman occupation and persecution during the era in which Jesus lived, it is not hard to understand why so many Jews longed for a time of peace and freedom. The most famous of Jewish false messiahs in ancient times was Simon bar Kochba, who led the initially successful but ultimately disastrous revolt against the Romans in 132 C.E., which led to the near annihilation of Judaism in the Holy Land at the hands of the Romans. Bar Kochba claimed to be the Messiah and was even anointed by the prominent Rabbi Akiva, but after bar Kochba died in the revolt the Jews of his time rejected him as another false messiah since he did not fulfill the requirements of the true Messiah.
While Christianity has had and continues to have a major impact on Jews and Judaism, Jesus is not seen as a major figure in Jewish history. Nevertheless, Jews do not actively seek to refute Christian teachings as Judaism teaches respect for all peoples and their faiths. Over the centuries, the question of why Jews did not and do not accept Jesus as divine has forced Jewish theologians to respond to Christian claims about Jesus, particularly those that use Jewish belief and the Hebrew bible (Tanach) to justify their claims.

0 Points DERP 28 Jan 2012 General Comment

Visit evil bible.com. it tells you ALL the violent things about the bible.

0 Points God Sucks 30 Jan 2012 General Comment

Great web-site DERP, How on earth are idiot christians not aware of these atrocities?

0 Points Peter 29 Feb 2012 General Comment

Its not that we are unaware its the way it was taught to us see I was born a catholic but ever since I was able to start thinking for myself and start asking the hard questions that my priests and teachers at the catholic school couldn't answer instead of helping find these answers I was banished from my church and the schools.I know longer believe in creation but in evolution and I am reading this evil bible website and go wow I never seen it from this angle before.Great site I would like to see the other side's arguments to these points that would be fun.

0 Points A child of God 25 Feb 2012 General Comment

To All Christians, Read Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

That which is Holy is Gods Word, our Doctrine, His teachings our pearls. Cease giving them to the Dogs and casting them before the swine.

Knock the dust off your sandals and find those willing to accept your peace.

0 Points God Sucks 26 Feb 2012 General Comment

Who are you calling a dog you miserable little christian shit! To all athiests read God Sucks 1.1, thou shalt not accept the misguided dribblings of worshippers of man made deities, lest thee be fooled into a life of being narrow minded, and possess an IQ of little under that of a South American Hopping Mouse. Trample their doctrines under thou feet, and if they try to dust off their sandals, kick sand in their face and steal them, hoist up their skirts and stick the pearls up their assholes for they are inbred swine.

0 Points Peter 02 Mar 2012 General Comment

What's worse that a christian Man I can understand But a Woman defending the bible and Jesus or God baffles me cause according to the bible women are nothing and only to be used and commanded by man they are to have sex when told marry when told sold when told etc.Rubbish if you ask me

0 Points The Rizz 17 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

Ok guys, first off. I am a man of science that believes there are smarter more powerful, and intelectually superior beings out there. Second if you want to speak of anomilies, things that just dont make sense. Lets look at the "bible". Everyone here that is a person of faith has read the bible. In what language? English? Spanish? Hebrew? Great the bible you are reading isnt the word of god. Its the interpretation of gods words into other words of man. Many people suspect that aramaic was the language the original book of truth was written in. Whether its true of not i dont know. What i do know is, that english wasnt around back then almost none of our modern languages were. I went to cambodia and got tattoo of the symbol that is supposed to mean respect. When i came home and people looked at it and saw it, i recieved over 8 different beliefs of what that symbol means. If people from different parts of the world that supposedly speak the same language are giving me so many different translations, how can one put any belief into a book that is supposed to be thpusands of years old and interpreted into countless different languages. This is called common sense, with it i know for a fact not everything is what it seems and i know someone somewhere along the line made a misatake, a mis inturpretation, or even maybe lied. We ARE only human arent we?

I believe some truth is there for one to write such a book. But i dont believe its one all powerful god the way we think about it now. Were we created in gods image? Or were we created in THE gods image. Two very very close sentances that be a very very easy mistake for any translator or interpretor. If it is a mistake than it changes the meaning of the bible tremendously. And there is one mistake odds are there are many more over the span of any history. Whether its 6000 or 4.5 billion years ago.

Last why couldnt god or the gods just have made the earth 4.5 billion years ago.

0 Points james gregor macgregor 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

God did create the earth about 4 billion years ago. the souls were there and danced with joy along with the stars who sang. (angels) it was during this time. (first earth age) lucifer (later becoming known as satan) fell from grace and drew with him one third of
Gods host() God destroyed that earth age comepletly including the memory of it which is reserved. - God begins his (new) works, (second earth age). with the six day or (6 thousand years) new creation of the earth. and this time,, mankind an earthen vessel he made in his likeness on the sixth day. (all the races) ... Adam, a farmer was created 0n the eighth day or 2 thousand years later. this is where satan enters the picture and introduces his dna (or the apple) in the garden causing the fall of man and the great flood(because God breathed the spirit of life, an eternal soul, into adam the farmer)... we are presently living in this second earth age looking forward to the third and final earth age which will begin with the return of our
"Master and Lord, Jesus Christ" three earth ages, one earth. God bless my brothers and sisters... there will always be winter. there will always be summer.

0 Points God Sucks 19 Mar 2012 General Comment

WOW!!!!! You are so wise, teach me more master James. You obviously know about a previous world created by god 4 billion years ago that no other human being knows about. How could you have come to know this?....and if god destroyed everything including the memory of it, then how the fuck could you be dribbling shit about it now. Fucking hell you really do take the cake. You may as well be saying that you died a horrible death yesterday but went on Facebook after it happened to tell everyone like "Hey everyone, I died today. Cheers." and everyone would give you a 'likes this' thumbs up, and you would be stoked and thinking 'man, I should die everyday cause my friends love it!'. Stop trying to blend the scientific explanation with your religious shit and just accept that your god doesn't exist and master and fucking lord jesus christ wont return because he has long since decomposed into dust like the petty criminal he was.

0 Points jgm 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

Yeshua said, " LET THE TARES " "bearded darnel"
(plant that looks like wheat, grows like wheat and produces seed pod like wheat,,but when the pod ripens the seed turns black and purple and poison) " GROW WITH THE WHEAT. " because of this statement and the obediance of christians, many people live safely. instead of being blown up, (they are prayed for instead). Jesus saved the crook on the stake dying next to him. after an entire life of sin and crime Jesus saved his soul in the last moments of his life because he believed.. thats the love and desire of Jesus, to save every soul that resides in mankind, the earthen vessel. peace be with you always...

0 Points God Sucks 20 Mar 2012 General Comment

You have the brain of a retarded mouse, "grow with the wheat".....what the hell is that supossed to mean? You christians are so fucking blind, no-one is going to save you, when you die (and your brain already has by the look of it) you become nothing, no afterlife, no running to god's embrace. Christians are exactly what is wrong with this planet, narrow minded cock-suckers who are poisoned with religion from birth.....you never stood a chance of using your brain, like the generations upon generations of christians before you. Christians die just like atheists, sometimes in horrible circumstances, and does your god do anything about it? You think you are going to the kingdom of god? None of us will, it doesn't exist. So stop trying to sound like a war-mongering pope and use your brain for once, instead of having it dictated by a fucking book written by man about a god created by man.

0 Points 7000 29 Mar 2012 Stance on Question: Disagree

On your last dying breath (3 seconds of life), you are going to be wishing there is a a divine being.

0 Points God Sucks 29 Mar 2012 General Comment

Bullshit, there is no way that will happen

0 Points Jack 09 Apr 2012 General Comment

I do not see the point of fanaticism here. This blog wreaks of insecurity and fear. The atheist appears to be afraid of any kind of commitment to God and the theist appears terrified of dying without afterlife. I believe the biggest problems on our hands is ignorance. No one here portrays a form of moderation. Theism has developed to a point where every aspect of the religion has been explained. Whether it is correct or not is impossible to say. however, whether atheism is incorrect or not is also undeterminable. I do not think myself superior in any way but you all have chosen to react with such arrogance that I feel I must intervene. The vast majority of the posts here are about sections of religion the have been explained. In fact, all of them have been explained. This blog has used the word 'know' to loosely. To know is to believe to an absolute degree. I know that gravity exists. You two factions are like fishermen on docks and boats. Both shouting to the other that there are more fish and better conditions at their spot when neither has caught a fish nor sat in the others seat. (Silence)

0 Points ken 01 May 2012 General Comment

Oh my friend your fence sitting is nauseas, when you stand dirctly in front of your creator at the judgement seat of God you will so fear Him you will not have a defense to utter. It is ok though God is still willing to take you in. Search the scriptures while He still may be found. Jesus has died on the cross for your sins. If you will believe on Him he WILL save you. You must repent of your sins and God will save you. Trust Him the time is near.

0 Points Bemused 10 Apr 2012 Stance on Question: Mostly Disagree

God is mother nature, man was made from nature just as explained in genius, the writers of the bible were scientists they just lacked some understanding and common sense. Why do Christians not get this? why are they so daft and self obsessed about saving there own souls?

"We are the ones that are right not the Jews or Muslims or Buddhist".

0 Points Phil love 23 Apr 2012 General Comment

How can any of us as mere mortal beings say what a God is or isnt.
How can we understand the mind of a God.
How can we question the wisdom, actions or purpose of a God
unless we can be Gods ourselves.
Faith and belief is the only way we can fathom anything
that we are told or taught and as w all have the freedom of free will to
believe what we want believer or non believer have no reason to
trash any others beliefsunless they cause harm.
Hatred and nastiness does cause harm as with indoctrination and
an inherent need todefend a God who as a God is surely more than capable
of defending Himself if as a God He should even need to, to a species of creation
who cant even understand themselves or a purpose of living, least agree on such
or even agree to dissagree.
I thought the message of believers and of the bible is a message of love
so why is it permanently attacked and why is it delivered in a forcefull
and indoctrinating and defensive way.
I am personaly more than happy that human beings are of little consequence
and pale into insignificsance as far as creation is concerned.
Those who deliver any message of love in a loving way are the only
ones who can possibly fathom the truth of love.
And the rest of the world will just carry on fighting, arguing, disagreeing,
And not help themselves, those around them
or futre generations whether adults or children learn anything about
real love or peace.
And therefore goodness.

0 Points Christian 25 Apr 2012 General Comment

Just want to make a point here. Revelations actually says that a singld day is as a thousand years to God. It would actually set the worlds age to be over that of 12,000 years old. As far as these athiests are concerned God has given them over to a reprobate mind. Their type has always been around and their type is always the first to beg for a drop of water while they burn in hell. Unrepetant, dilluded, and content with living in their foolish ways of thinking. They would be so foolish as to believe a theory that is only over a hundred and forty years old as opposed to the knowledge and wisdome passed down over thousands of years. Also as for most of your substantial scientific discoveries and cures for diseases you can thank Christians. Oh you can also thank them for your right to speak the dribble you proclaim and lies you promote. They died so that you can choose what you want to believe. Im sure it was their hope that our future generations would have been much smarter than they turned out but unfortunately one cannot predict the future. Oh wait..Christians can through the power of Christ and the Holy Word of God. Man I bet that just gets you athiests all riled and hungry for blood.

0 Points phil love 26 Apr 2012 General Comment

I recently found out that there was discrepancy and therefore debate about how long
the earth is meant to be and I initialy found this site from posing that qeustion in
the google search engine.
Yet What started out as a mere debate of opposing info seemed to quickly become
christian bashing from some and bible bashing from others.
This has led me to realise that the more significant question should be not how long
has the earth existed but what estimation would anybody put on how long it is likely
to continue, more, how long is man likely to exist from hereon as it seems to me that
if simple debate about such an insignificant qeustion so quickly turns into such hatred
abuse and battle of insults that its obvious that left in the hands of such people it wont
last much longer.
What puzzles me over all is why people need to attack the christian faith so easily as I've
always believed that most people accept the bible at the leat a good set of morals to live
by, and in my exsperiances that now span nearly 50 years that those true believers are
inherently a good people who dont want a fight or argument but follow a simple rule
that they will love even those who hate them or disagree with there beliefsas they are
taught to 'hate the sin and not the sinner' so i dont understand the need to attack
Passive ethics or people who like most in this world want to love and be loved.
With the smallest bit of wisdom and insight that should speak volumes to believer or
unbeliever yet rarely does.
I can also see that many faiths, beleifs or christians also fail
that one COMANDEMENT love your nieghbour as yourself as nobody has the right to
judge, belittle or put down anybody for what they have free will to believe or do.
What concerns me most is as such wise all-knowing adults if we cant get sucj a simple thing
right how can we guide our children.
And lastly i realise the horror of reality that if this debate had been my childs
homework and theu had stumbled on this site what damage
would br done to continue into yet another generation.

0 Points Anonymous 31 Mar 2013 Stance on Question: General Comment

The earth is not flat.....The sun does not circle around the earth....see Galileo vs the Pope...man has walked on the moon....within 20 years there will be solid proof from our Mars explorers that there once was water on Mars...and so it goes. Everything evolves....most importantly man's intelligence. The earth is at least 4.5 billion years old and if you cannot use just your common sense to realize that then you are the same as the flat earth believers. That didn't go so well for them and it the result will be the same for you.