Is the earth approximately 6000 years old? (as opposed to 4.5 billion)

Alright no need to cry!But i think you just proved my point about atheists, thanks for that. GOD BLESS YOU. P.S.god created science therefore he created this p.c and radios and cures for plagues Amen brother.

Yep. That's what happened. Not because the original poster was naming himself "after that hacker group". Even though I agree with your side of the argument, you seem pretty childish and stupid.

And you don't believe what someone else has written and said? You didn't write the bible fuckwit, so you are obviously preaching the words of other people. www.evilbible.com, I suggest you read the stuff on this website before you try and say your god is innocent and loving. If anyone is ignorant, it is all the christian shitbags in the world, so pull your head in.

Chris, why don't you put your head between your legs, spread your butt cheeks and stick it in there, you'd be used to the smell what with the crap you just dribbled. Honestly there are too many clowns in the world and not enough circus's.

Dude You have me absolutely rolling on my knees with laughter, so tell me then. If lightning struck some primordial cesspool of chemicals and the first life cell was created by chance, please feel free to tell me exactly how the second lifecell came about to procreate with the first lifecell without self destructing due to inbreeding. So now to get where we are at, at this point this would have to happen zillions of times with no mistakes in any of the gene pools between all the different species. It's ok to be wrong, God is willing and ready to save you, search the scriptures for truth while He still may be found. Trust Him now, time is running out.

you have trouble understanding how one male and one female make new generations but you will believe that a single cell will mutate into absolutely every lifeform on the planet? You are so smart.

Pull your head in tosser, if I want to say there is no god, then I will bloody well say there is no god, I am adding more to the debate then your petty little paragraphs of shite you brain dead pole smoker.

How do you know? What is your authority? Oh, I see, its just your opinion!

The very person who made up the story of evolution died as a christian. unfortunately the damage is done and now so many people believe it, to side with muslims is crazy christians dont believe in blowing ourselves up. God loves you.

God sucks. The problem with these creationists and theists is that you cant have a logical argument with them. You can give them any evidence you like and if it does not fit in with their beleifs they simply dismiss it. Young earth creationists are the worst. They are completely brain dead, they get their information from books and sites that are written by creationists, maybe if they done some real research they would find the truth and stop talking all the nonsense we know to be laughable. If they wonder why we get annoyed talking to them then they should stop being so stupid and start speakin sense. At the end of the day they are the ignorant ones and most of the world are laughing at them and their narrow minded horse shit views. Its just a shame they teach their kids the same crap instead of the real truth. These people should be ashamed of themselves and in my opinion are no higher than cockroaches. keep spreading your word and hopefully some of them will start thinking for themselves. Peace!

That just proves how the religeous pick and choose which parts of their religion suits them and which parts they dont. You dont sound much like a christian to me but then u all speak nonsence so how would i know. You either believe or you dont . you sound a bit confused to me.

Hahaha love from your god? how many people has your god put to death? how many people has your god ordered to be put to death? how many people into slavery? Your bible says if you rape a girl you have to pay her father and then marry the girl, he obviously endorses everything evil in this world. I feel sorry for you for being so narrow minded, you don't stand a chance of using your own brain.

another brain washed deluded half wit. dont be praying for me, i dont need nothing from your hateful god thanks.

When your boss tells you to do sonmething, you do it. How much more will someone obey when the creator of everything tells you to do something.

Galatians 1:6-12 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Joh 1:1 -5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Job 38:1 And Jehovah answered Job out of the tempest, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Now gird up your loins like a man; for I will ask of you, and you teach Me.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell if you have understanding!
Job 38:5 Who has set its measurements, for you know? Or who has stretched the line on it?
Job 38:6 On what are its bases sunk, or who cast its cornerstone,
Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it broke forth as it came from the womb?
Job 38:9 When I made the clouds its robe, and darkness its navel-band,
Job 38:10 and set My limit on it, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 and I said, You shall come to here, but no further; and here your proud waves shall stop.
Job 38:12 Have you commanded the morning from your days, and caused the dawn to know its place,

I have a question for you, what is truth? Define it.

I'am not a Dude, and Sereiously do you really believe what the science books said about Darwin's Theory, itsnever been proven, oh and ehy do they not want it out that if any thing but, jelly like stuff is in a cell that the theory is disproven, because hat's Darwin's great thery, and as for there Greek God's they also had a shrine to the God Nobodody Knows. You Do not much about the bible I'm araid it started with the dead sea scrolls yes,but it grew to 66 books there is much you could learn about God and yourself I think if you read the bible. Its as true today as it was 2,000, years ago. My family and I frankly would be DEAD IF NOT for that jewish deity I would have die 25 years ago from viral insphlitis, I was in a coma for 7 weeks I was 6.

I think you will find that everest was once an ocean floor. Mountains are the result of the earths tectonics plates smashing into each other, which is where your fish would come from, smart one. Or maybe a fucking climber left it there. Both are more likely and logical than some bullshit flood that never happened oh smart one. Next.

What separates species from each other is the inability to successfully interbreed. "Cross-breeding" is only possible if the two mates with very different attributes are still of the same species like Chihuahuas and Great Danes (in which case it probably needs to be male Chihuahua and female Great Dane). This is, of course just scratching the surface of the fact of evolution. The process requires many generations over many years and geographical separation for species to diverge from each other.

What is a 'kind'?

Like you said, cross breeding gives us new species, which is exactly how man evolved from the apes, not created by some mystical man-like deity. Even you couldn't deny that as you have said so yourself.

I suspect Rayegirl has the IQ of a typical christian, just higher than that of a wafer biscuit.

This is how Christian's bend the bible to make science fit into it The truth is the Bible teaches that the world was created in 6 24 hour days. Here's a bible lesson that even states it.http://www.free-bible-study-lessons.com/aliens.html
I figure this 6 days must have been some time here on earth cause 1 day must equal 100 million or perhaps 1 billion days which isn't possible in a 24 hour day right common sense here

That is crap- scientists will disprove God and you can't prove any of those ridiculous fairy tales. We are not one life beings the DNA shows it and there are more and more of us coming back with past life memories- seriously a male deity molding the planet like a little piece of clay. How do you delude yourself with such foolishness. Is that why Christians breed like rabbits? Your not very evolved or intelligent. You can get a two year old to believe anything especially if you scare them with lies.

Wouldn't that make god a dictator...and i wouldn't bow, i have a bad knee

To the above comment, I meant Disagree. The Earth is ancient. The fossil record is a simple testament to this.

Humans beings are very new, between 5000 and 7000 years old or so. We were newly made, in God's image. We are CONCIOUS beings.

Jesus Christ is still the only way for us to be saved from our fallen and sinful state.

We are saved by grace through FAITH, not of deeds, lest anyone should brag.

God makes SENSE. Mindless chance does not.

You are a dumb-ass. Let me ask you a question, if humans started as two white people, then keep breeding and eventually asians and blacks are born, why are there still white people? I'll tell you why, because the bible is a white supremist book that doen't acknowledge the existance of blacks and asians, why would it since blacks themselves have been around for 200000 years, god forbid they have been around longer than white people. Here's another question, did your parents think it was mandatory to give you a frontal lobotomy after you were born?

The type of ape that we evolved from are no longer here the apes of today are another species of ape all together that's why duh

OK. I'm putting my urge to call you stupid aside. Evolution does not have a peak, apex, species goal, conscious agenda, etc. Evolution occurs when species adapt to environments over long periods of time. At some point, an ape species became geographically separated (probably due to some social construct) and had to adapt to different environments in order to survive. Over many years and generations, this ape species adapted, mutated, and selected mates apart from each other. One group evolved into chimps, the other group evolved into humans. Of, course, it wasn't quite as simple as that, but, that is the essence of it. If other great ape species were subjected to the exact same environmental influences as the one that became human, they wouldn't necessarily have become human, but they would be very different than they are today, probably more human-like than they are now.

The mind set that asks the "why are there still apes?" question, seems to assume that there is a greater intellect guiding everything and that humans are the ultimate species. This also indicates that you have done no research on biological evolution and have chosen, instead, to listen to those who deny the reality of evolution because it destroys your world view that your god created us in our present form as the ultimate life form in the universe.

As a member of society, I urge you to accept and appreciate reality. It's far more interesting than fairy-tales. If you choose to continue to adhere to your silly world view, please don't procreate or vote.

We have a winner! It was a matter of time until one of you dingbats came out with that classic.

If god created everything then he created Hell, and Evil, these two things are everything he stands for. He didn't create science, man created science, man created god. Eventually this christianity thing will be read about in books of myths along with norse, greek and roman gods.

The single amoeba thing aside, it requires no faith to understand that complex life evolved from much simpler forms of life. Having no evidence for your claims requires faith. The abundance of evidence that the further back you go in biological history, the less complex the life forms were, indicates that the first life on earth was likely single celled plant life.

lets say evolution is blind. and to help more lets say the amino acids are already made and rdy to form stuff. the smallest group of amino acids to create one mineral is 50 diffrent kinds. for one mineral. now lets say they somehow found each other by randome. now they have to form up in the correct order. now lets say they did that after a few hundred trys. now you have one mineral. lets start with a living thing. couple thousand acids should do it. lets form them all up in the perfect order, by randome. thats like trying to spell "to be or not to be, that is the question" by dropping srabble pieces on a table.

God is controlling the process of evolution, He created the process. Everything has to have a beginning. If you are an Atheist, how do you believe the Earth (really old Earth, but not eternal) got here? Logically, somewhere there would have to be something or someone who has no beginning.

By the way, God created humans, but it was by their choice that they got flawed and messed up. And I always thought it was interesting how people who didn't believe in God, all over the world, still used His name. Yeah, sure, they used His name as a cussword, but they still used it. There's no getting away from Him.

Actually, they don't.
Most sedimentary rock is dated using radiometric dating - similar to carbon dating, but using different isotopes which have greater half-lives.

And for the record, people who dig up dinosaur bones and fossils probably prefer "Paleontologist" to "Evolutionist".

lol carbon dating goes only in the thousands of years level. lol.

fuck you dude. my friend got raped by his gay science teacher.

did you know i would like proof of this statement. i highly disbelieve that there was a study to prove this.

Because bible believers that truly believe in creation go by the statement and man was created in gods image if we were to take that statement and apply to what you said that would mean god is a single celled organism and has no brains

then why is the earth running down? evolutionist believe that things get better and better, but then why is there entropy?

No need to reply, Kel. JP and Anonymous are one and the same person. He/She is obviously a troll.

is there any evidence that proves he isn't true?

The bible is correct?
Noah's flood never happened
Earth is about. 4.5 billion years old
Dinosaurs did not live at the same time as man
God did not create the universe in seven days
these are just a few of the completely wrong things that stand in the Bible

And the best part you christians.... you can't disprove me!!!!

If the Earth was only 6000 years old as well as the universe, how do you explain being able to see stars approximately 2.5 million light years away?

What are you, 12 years old? Evolutionists dont believe they evolved from a fruit you cock sucker. I would rather have evolved from primates then incestial fuckers like adam and eve. The bible is the biggest load of bullshit ever written. As for god being good, I suggest you visit evil bible.com, your god was a nasty motherfucker who enjoyed the pain and suffering of children....like yourself.

Learn spelling and grammar. No, we didn't come from bananas. We evolved from a primate which up the road started from amino acids, which were generated from electricity,water,and oxygen. This has already been proven to produce amino acids. Creationists love banana brains.

Just because something is “fossilized” does not mean that it is millions (or even thousands) of years old. When the conditions and materials are right, a bone can become filled with minerals fairly quickly. The main ingredients are:

1.Quick burial.
2.Water, in the right amounts.
3.Suitable minerals.

Conditions during the Flood were ideal for “fossilizing” millions of animals and plants.

Researchers have found that chicken bones and wood can be replaced with minerals in just five to ten years. A big dinosaur bone might take hundreds of years to completely mineralize. It all depends on the burial conditions over the years.

Many dinosaur remains are still not completely turned in to rock. More than half of the fossil is still original bone, not stone! Some even have chemicals from the living animals (proteins and amino acids)! Some fish fossils still have a fishy smell when first uncovered.

Some of the plants buried during the Flood are not fossilized either. In New Jersey, large amounts of wood from trees that were growing at the same time as dinosaurs can be found in the dirt (Cretaceous clay). They are preserved, but not turned to stone at all. In England, fragile plant hairs and tiny details of the plant’s cells can be seen. The plants are not turned into rock. They are just flattened and blackened. Since the Flood happened only about four or five thousand years ago, these types of discoveries are not surprising.

If you read genesis carefully

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

there is a creation and then destruction. that is the time of dinasours destruction

Dinosaur fossils Phil, are the fossils of giant lizards that roamed the Earth during the early generations of life on this planet. They lived much longer and grew much bigger because there was a canopy of water around the globe in those days that got busted and flooded the Earth in the days of Noah. God allowed this catastrophe to happen because of the terrible sins of mankind during those times - in fact - as great as they are again today!!

LOL, A hovering canopy of water! Eat your wheaties

1 in 4 kids have parents that are brother and sister? Sounds like you've been reading something about as correct as the bible.

Will he answer this question.......why did your parents decide to pollute the human gene pool by giving birth to you?

You deluded fool! As if this Walt Brown penis knows anything, he is as deluded as the rest of you christian clowns. THERE IS NO GOD

Now hold on a minute, if the bible says that then it must be true, I mean jeez it was written by man afterall.....could it be, Edward Laughlan, that you are indeed a wise person in the know?.................fuck no! For the last time stop being so stupid!

Yes it does you idiot! if you knew just a bit about Physics and Astronomy, you would understand that the universe is by far older then 6000 years!!!!

Was there a comment there? Simply dismissing something because you don't agree is lame. Try and actually think about science vs God! I will not bring religion into this since religion is man made and not closely related to the Bible and God.

Martin Luther was just fed up with the cockhead Pope dictating everything that everyone does, Catholics are dumb shits who talk out of their asses all the time with the amount of shit that they dribble. But in all seriousness, the bible is just a bedtime story anyway.

No you are brainwashed you idiot! it's proven that the avarage atheist is smarten then the avarage believer! The universe is proven to be older then what your fairytail book says

Have watched Kent Hovind's dvd's and I do believe that the Earth is only around 6000 years old.
What really bugs me is that people can go on and on and on about these issues. I think that we are missing the point. What does it really matter how old the Earth is? The most important thing is to accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. And live you life according to his commandments.
There are a lot of things going on on this planet of ours, which tries to cover the Truth from us. Satan is always busy to make plans to undermine the Bible and it's contents. All I can say is keep an open mind and don't believe everything scientists tries to sell to you. They have a lot of "theories".

I see your name holds mistakes as well.

ignorant fools are those who see but do not believe, those who believe their path are rightous...
i agree with you RELIGION is a mechanism created by man made up of rules and traditions...but to have a relation ship with Jesus Christ is not religion.....if you think and believe that science can explain how science was formed, then you should do more research and then you will understand that yes it does explaing some points but not all ....so if your science is so acurate why not all?

God is the creator of all things the earth, the Universe and people like you who deny him. If we came from apes who then created the apes? and if the apes came from the first mammal species who than created them? The answer is no matter what scientists are trying to disprove. They have no answer to how these things, whether its a piece of rock, or a living organism were created. Someone must have put them there, and that someone is your almighty God.

the creation is not magic when the god says the words let there be light(gen 1:3) he never speak the magic spell but the truth is, his mouth was release the intense sound energy to create the light, but the transposition of energy into matter takes a million of years not in 24 hours or 7 days. the big bang is the voice of god (psalm 29:8,,Psalm 33:6 king james version) the science and the bible have no disparity.

see, this retard proves my point

But again, why do those who seek to disprove the bible by indepth study later turn around and say they were wrong and scientific evidence prooves in an all-powerful creator? I am not being closed minded but truly curious when I ask you, do you yourself have actual proof (scientific, mathematical, etc.) to supply when you claim an old earth. And do you know for absolute certain that this Russell Humphreys is not using evidence as the basis of his hypothesis. Isn't a HYPOTHESIS an EDUCATED GUESS based on PRIOR KNOWLEDGE?

your ears and nose are not made of bone. ahahahha

U could say u can prove both points, its a never ending argument. christians should not tell plp they are wrong or call non believers names, which i think is the worse thing on their part, thats what plp want. that goes against everything God goes for...to all those christians don't look for things to get u worked up it makes u angry...so calm down...it says in the bible to not judge or tell plp they are wrong , go on with ur life and stop messing with plp that don't want ur option ...God said u can believe what u want to believe...who cares what plp think, not the world so don't make enemies..from all i have read both parties are not educated on opposite sides...so either one has a clue what the other is talking about so when the christian studies science theories and the the atheist reads the bible either is right....

u get different answers anywhere u go..but don't call urself a christian and argue