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Is God just?

Both western and eastern religions assert that the world is a just place, whether that is made possible by God, or through the subtle workings of the Law of Karma. In contrast, from an atheists perspective, the universe is at best an amoral place. Bad things happen to good people and vice versa; morality is only enforced, if at all, by humans, not God; morality a muddled mosaic of meaning undermined by mortality.

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Experts In Religion


The Catholic Church    Largest Christian Church
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The Last Judgment will reveal that God's justice triumphs over all the injustices committed by his creatures and that God's love is stronger than death.
11 Oct 1992    Source


Experts In War


Osama Bin Laden    Leader of Al Qaeda
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All praise is due to Allah, who built the heavens and earth in justice, and created man as a favor and grace from Him.
08 Sep 2007    Source


Experts In Christianity


C.S. Lewis    Author, Professor of Literature
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My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. ... Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies. [The] very act of trying to prove that [...] reality was senseless [forced me to assume] my idea of justice--was full of sense.
01 Jan 1952    Source


Andrew Sullivan    Journalist, Author
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The sense that [God was] evil ... suddenly, unprompted by any specific thought, just lifted. I can no more explain that... But I can say that it represented for me a revelation of God's love and forgiveness, the improbable notion that the force behind all of this actually loved us, and even loved me. The calm I felt then; and the voice with no words I heard: this was truer than any proof I have ever conceded, any substance I have ever felt with my hands, any object I have seen with my eyes.
05 Feb 2007    Source


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Experts In War


Napoleon Bonaparte    Emperor of France
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If I had believed in a God of rewards and punishments, I might have lost courage in battle.
01 Jan 1815    Source


Experts In Science


Albert Einstein    Physicist, Icon of the 20th Century
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I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.
02 Jan 1915    Source


Richard Dawkins    Evolutionary Biologist, Writer, Atheism Activist
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The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. ... In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, [others] are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.
01 Nov 1995    Source


Eliezer Yudkowsky    Artificial Intelligence Researcher
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How is my religious family to comprehend it, working, as they must, from the assumption that [my brother] was murdered by a benevolent God? The same loving God, I presume, who arranges for millions of children to grow up illiterate and starving; the same kindly tribal father-figure who arranged the Holocaust and the Inquisition's torture of witches. I would not hesitate to call it evil, if any sentient mind had committed such an act, permitted such a thing.
18 Nov 2004    Source


Steven Pinker    Psychology Professor
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The moral design of nature is as bungled as its engineering design. What twisted sadist would have invented a parasite that blinds millions of people or a gene that covers babies with excruciating blisters? To adapt a Yiddish expression about God: If an intelligent designer lived on Earth, people would break his windows.
07 Aug 2005    Source


Experts In Scientology


L. Ron Hubbard    Founder of Scientology
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God was feeling sardonic the day He created the Universe. So it's rather up to at least one man every few centuries to pop up and come just as close to making him swallow his laughter as possible.
01 Oct 1938    Source



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0 Points      Benja      09 May 2010      General Comment
Fascinating excerpt from William James' The Varieties of Religious Experience.

"At bottom the whole concern of both morality and religion is with the manner of our acceptance of the universe. Do we accept it only in part and grudgingly, or heartily and altogether? Shall our protests against certain things in it be radical and unforgiving, or shall we think that, even with evil, there are ways of living that must lead to good?"


1 Point      Radioactivity      09 Apr 2010      Stance on Question: Disagree
It feels strange to even disagree with this question, because regardless of the answer it feels like admitting God's existence just by the phrasing of it. Since I don't believe that there is a god, this question is more irrelevant to me than anything else. However, if the existence of a god coincided with the world as it currently functions, he would certainly be unjust.


1 Point      Adam Atlas      05 Apr 2010      Stance on Question: Disagree
People who believe in God seem to expect infinitesimally less of him than they expect of mere human leaders. Any God who creates and rules a universe like this one cannot be just; if not actively evil, he must at best be merely amoral.

I'm running against Yahweh in the upcoming deity election of 2012. Vote for me! If elected, I will immediately eliminate death and suffering.
(Does it have to be any more complicated than that?)